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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:00 pm to
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:00 pm to
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Today, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced additional security assistance as an extraordinary measure to address some of Ukraine's most pressing security and defense needs. This announcement is the Biden Administration's fifty-fifth tranche of equipment to be provided from DoD inventories for Ukraine since August 2021. This Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) package is valued at up to $300 million and includes capabilities to support Ukraine's immediate air defense, artillery, and anti-tank requirements.


Anyone who supports this is scum.



Whatever you say commie.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:02 pm to
Much like the Luftwaffe changing tactics in the Battle of Britain by attacking civilians instead of bombing RAF airfields, production facilities and radar stations gave the Brits just that little bit of breathing room they needed to rest, train and refit pilots and aircraft backfired for Germany is how I view the Russians decision to attack civilians in the winter of 2022/2023 gave the Ukrainian military the time to regroup. The Russians weren’t expecting us to be able to send entire power stations to Ukraine to replace the ones they attacked.

This has nothing to do with what i said above but I’ve been wondering why with Ukraine needing to revamp it’s air force why they Antonov hasn’t struck some kind of deal to build a plant in another country like Germany or Romania and design their own fighter aircraft. Obviously this would be a long process but when the F-16s they are getting need replacing they will need to find a new fighter fleet from somewhere. They could always sign a contract with any number of nations for new fighters but Antonov is a very good company with some bright engineers. They have always been more of a transport type aircraft company but I bet they could in time put together a good 4++ gen fighter that would be able to counter Russia’s Sukhois.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:07 pm to
quit upvoting yourself
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:49 pm to
You are a troll in begging for red arrows.

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45700 posts
Posted on 3/12/24 at 7:02 pm to
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Much like the Luftwaffe changing tactics in the Battle of Britain by attacking civilians instead of bombing RAF airfields, production facilities and radar stations gave the Brits just that little bit of breathing room they needed to rest, train and refit pilots and aircraft backfired for Germany is how I view the Russians decision to attack civilians in the winter of 2022/2023 gave the Ukrainian military the time to regroup. The Russians weren’t expecting us to be able to send entire power stations to Ukraine to replace the ones they attacked.


Not only did it give the UAF time to regroup they did not even bother attacking the most obvious targets in Ukraine. There were only 12 (11 now) railroad bridges across the Dnieper River in all of Ukraine. I can understand not destroying the bridges when during the initial invasion because they were trying to take the whole country swiftly, but any decent military strategist would have recommended taking out those 12 bridges when Russia was defeated at Kyiv and decided to focus on the Donbas.

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This has nothing to do with what i said above but I’ve been wondering why with Ukraine needing to revamp it’s air force why they Antonov hasn’t struck some kind of deal to build a plant in another country like Germany or Romania and design their own fighter aircraft.


IDK but if I had to guess it Antonov was a shadow of its cold war self prior to the Maiden. A lot of Antonov's engineers were lured to Russia to work for Sukhoi and Illyushin etc in the 8 years between the Maiden and the invasion. Antonov was basically a transportation company and a repair depo before being destroyed by the Russians on the first day of the invasion. Plus I would imagine Germany would prefer Ukraine buy or lease Eurofighters and France would prefer them to buy Rafaels than design and build its own fighter.

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Obviously this would be a long process but when the F-16s they are getting need replacing they will need to find a new fighter fleet from somewhere. They could always sign a contract with any number of nations for new fighters but Antonov is a very good company with some bright engineers. They have always been more of a transport type aircraft company but I bet they could in time put together a good 4++ gen fighter that would be able to counter Russia’s Sukhois.



Why waste time and money designing your own when there are already good options available? Petro Poroshenko attempted to negotiate a deal with Saab to build Gripens in Lviv back in 2015 or 2016 but the Obama administration blocked the deal. Apparently the Gripen has enough American components on it that Saab and Sweden need our approval for it to be sold. Damn Obama was a pussy.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 7:08 pm to
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Much like the Luftwaffe changing tactics in the Battle of Britain by attacking civilians instead of bombing RAF airfields, production facilities and radar stations


This is another statement that has FAR more shades of grey in it than you lads so eager for bloodshed would care to admit.
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 7:11 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 7:11 pm to
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If Russia were really in "win at all costs, conquer Europe" mode, you'd think they would use attacking oil refineries as justification to just blow up every power plant within striking distance in Ukraine.

if NATO was truly interested in escalating this to WW3, youd think wed be using literal stealth bombers to destroy refineries instead of jank drones
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 7:25 pm to
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Much like the Luftwaffe changing tactics in the Battle of Britain by attacking civilians instead of bombing RAF airfields, production facilities and radar stations


This is another statement that has FAR more shades of grey in it than you lads so eager for bloodshed would care to admit.



The RAF was just a few days from having to stop contesting of the air over southern England when Hitler ordered the Luftwaffe to stop bombing British air bases and start bombing cities in order to demoralize the British populace. That let the RAF regroup and denied Germany the air superiority it needed for an invasion of Britain and strengthening resolve of the British people.

Ukraine's power infrastructure which though operated by civilians is a legit military target was on the brink of collapsing in late 2022 and early 2023. It got so bad that Ukraine was asking former Warsaw Pact countries to see if they could find a way to make the steam engines that were on display operable. Putin thought he could demoralize the Ukrainian populace by using precision guided missiles to attack shopping malls and apartment buildings. This allowed Ukraine to repair its infrastructure and strengthened the resolve of the Ukrainian people.

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lads so eager for bloodshed


You are the one who is supporting the side that committing mass murder.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 7:35 pm to
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You are the one who is supporting the side that committing mass murder.


The civilian death toll is very low.

The Israelis have killed three times as many civilians in Gaza, in the space of six months.

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45700 posts
Posted on 3/12/24 at 7:47 pm to
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You are the one who is supporting the side that committing mass murder.


The civilian death toll is very low.


Tell that to the people of Bucha or to the people of Izium

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The Israelis have killed three times as many civilians in Gaza, in the space of six months.


WTF does that have to do with mass murder committed by Russia in Ukraine?
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 8:06 pm
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:03 pm to
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The Israelis have killed three times as many civilians in Gaza, in the space of six months.


Posted by Philzilla
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:11 pm to
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WTF does that have to do with mass murder committed by Russia in Ukraine?

Mass is relative. Relative to the side you support, presumably.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45700 posts
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:22 pm to
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WTF does that have to do with mass murder committed by Russia in Ukraine?

Mass is relative. Relative to the side you support, presumably.


I give 0 shits about Gaza.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:56 pm to
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I give 0 shits about Gaza.


Neither does any actual Arab nation.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:01 pm to
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:15 pm to
That was before he chose the red pill and realized that it was a planned indoctrination
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:22 pm to
just like Obama “evolved”
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:28 pm to
And, hilariously I must add, the same group of peace loving, war hating, non Russian supporting just want peace you genocidal warmonger people on the poli board all seem to REALLY hate the idea of a ceasefire in Gaza
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:28 pm to
I don't know why people mock this. Virtually all thoughtful people have changed their mind on multiple complex topics
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 9:29 pm
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:30 pm to
probably because the only people making it a “all or nothing” culture war are your dumbasses
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