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Posted on 3/2/22 at 8:48 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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I’m not advocating for sending Americans off to fight Russians in Ukraine, but hypothetically if you lined all of the conflicts up over the last 20 years and said pick the one that most serves our interests, how would this one stack up?
America knew it couldn’t get into a fight with the enemies that really matter because they had nukes. So we picked fights with little guys to pass the time.
One of my friends says his time in the Marines was spent with a growing, nagging feeling that young American troops would never be able to experience the meaning their grandfathers felt in WWII of saving the world.
Edit: I guess we’ve ensured that every American generation has experienced at least one war so that the next generation of fresh recruit has a class of superior officers and NCOs above them with combat experience.
Hardly a legitimate reason to go to war, but for practical purposes, I do wonder how well Italian and German troops would hold up in a fight seeing as the last Italian or German soldier to see actual combat are passed their 80s if not dead.
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 3/2/22 at 8:49 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
It’s because we simply don’t value ME lives from the standpoint of actually being the ones to kill them vs Europeans. In addition, Russians have nukes and despite their ineptitude on display in Ukraine, they can launch the nukes on mainland US.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 8:50 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
US and Russia at war ends the world is reason #1...
Posted on 3/2/22 at 8:56 pm to DabosDynasty
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It’s because we simply don’t value ME lives from the standpoint of actually being the ones to kill them vs Europeans. In addition, Russians have nukes and despite their ineptitude on display in Ukraine, they can launch the nukes on mainland US.
And that would result in them getting nuked. While Russia covers a lot of land the population there is to like 150M people.
And if they decide to send a nuke to the US, then other countries will be attacking them before Russia has the opportunity to nuke them. Russia has absolutely nothing to gain by nuking the US.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 8:57 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Since a nuclear test above ground has never been done in the age of digital cameras, how would a nuke look on a camera?
We have VERY good footage of the above ground tests in the 50s and 60s. The best photographic tech on the planet was trained on those devices and is comparable to what your average digital device can do today.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 8:57 pm to OMLandshark
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So ummmm, yeah this is a deleted Tweet from the Ukrainian Independent admitting they’re now going to be participating in major war crimes. This is bad.
If some foreign power invaded SE Louisiana the furthest thing from my mind would be a war crime. I wouldn’t give a shite about so-called war crimes or
whatever some treaty that was signed 70+ years ago says. What Russia is doing goes back to 70+ years ago, so I don’t feel bad if Ukraine force kills any Russians they come across.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 8:59 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Why are we so willing to sacrifice men and treasure for a bunch of third world shitholes, but suddenly find restraint when Russia attacks a country like Ukraine?
1a) Israel
1b) Saudi Arabia
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:01 pm to OweO
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And that would result in them getting nuked. While Russia covers a lot of land the population there is to like 150M people.
And if they decide to send a nuke to the US, then other countries will be attacking them before Russia has the opportunity to nuke them. Russia has absolutely nothing to gain by nuking the US.
Using a singular nuke on another nuclear power with significant stockpile of their own deliverable nukes is suicide. It wouldn’t be one nuke, it would likely be an overwhelming number both to overwhelm any missile defense and to eliminate the key targets to best avoid anything left to respond from. MAD isn’t a principle of a singular missile.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:06 pm to Jim Rockford
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None of those guys would be oligarchs in Russia. John Gotti would be though
Plenty of others to chose from- starting with Kochs
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:06 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
If Russia didn’t have someone like Putin in charge of a vast nuclear weapons stash at his ultimate will, this would’ve never happened.
He knows as long as he has nukes, he can and will do whatever he wishes. NATO/USA will never combat a crazy man with nukes.
He knows as long as he has nukes, he can and will do whatever he wishes. NATO/USA will never combat a crazy man with nukes.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:08 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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men and treasure
Never use that in rhetoric it immediately sounds like it came from someone else's talking point because it did at a point in time.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:08 pm to DabosDynasty
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:13 pm to BuckyCheese
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What do people think Bezos, Zuckerburg, Musk, Waltons, etc would be called if they were based in Russia?
Did they get waaaayyy below market deals for formerly state owned businesses? Or did they build them up in a free market economy?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:15 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Eh "war crimes" is a bit oxymoronic anyway.
So ummmm, yeah this is a deleted Tweet from the Ukrainian Independent admitting they’re now going to be participating in major war crimes. This is bad.
The artilleryman can kill dozens of civilians without giving them a chance to surrender, but killing that artilleryman without giving him a chance to surrender is a crime? Is it okay because the artilleryman didn't look his victims in the eyes before he killed them? frick that.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:16 pm to DabosDynasty
quote:Yeah, it amazes me to see so many people don't understand the rationale of MAD.quote:
And that would result in them getting nuked. While Russia covers a lot of land the population there is to like 150M people.
And if they decide to send a nuke to the US, then other countries will be attacking them before Russia has the opportunity to nuke them. Russia has absolutely nothing to gain by nuking the US.
Using a singular nuke on another nuclear power with significant stockpile of their own deliverable nukes is suicide. It wouldn’t be one nuke, it would likely be an overwhelming number both to overwhelm any missile defense and to eliminate the key targets to best avoid anything left to respond from. MAD isn’t a principle of a singular missile.
Russia would not win a conventional war with the West (with US). Doesn't matter, they don't need to.
You have a group of people in a small room, like maybe the size of your bedroom. The US is the clear bad arse, think Mike Tyson. Takes what he wants from most people.
Russia is the kinda-big guy that can take 2/3 of the occupants one on one, wouldn't stand a chance against us. But is the guy who is holding a bomb with a suicide switch. If we fight, the switch goes off and everyone in the room dies. So, we leave each other alone, but talk shite to each other.
That's what nuclear deterrence is; if someone with an arsenal gets stomped, they can end civilization unilaterally.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:19 pm to MikeD
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Or did they build them up in a free market economy?
Is there such a thing?
Also an interesting aside: Taiwan power outage
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:21 pm to PassingThrough
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Plenty of others to chose from- starting with Kochs
No Kochs. Ruskiys.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:24 pm to USMEagles
This thread is more political than the one on the poliboard
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:27 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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This thread is more political than the one on the poliboard
To be fair, we are anxiously awaiting the amphibious landings at Odessa. So there’s not much else to talk about until that happens. So drifting off into political asides is not entirely unwarranted to pass the time.
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