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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:27 pm to cypher
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:27 pm to cypher
Pentagon Press Secretary Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder Holds a Press Briefing
Jan. 4, 2024
These are the remarks regarding Ukraine...
Q: There -- there's a Newsweek story out there that says that there is ATACMS up for destruction, the expired ATACMS, U.S. ATACMS, that would be a significant expense to American taxpayers, according to one former advisor to Ukraine's commander. Is this true? Are there a bunch of ATACMS, expired ATACMS set to be destroyed? And if that is true, why would they not be going to Ukraine?
GEN. RYDER: Yeah, so I've seen those press reports. We looked into this and it is not true. Those reports are false.
Q: On Ukraine questions, one of the things you didn't highlight in your recap was the December 27 presidential drawdown authority of package 54. Is that last package the U.S. can give Ukraine until Congress approves a supplemental?
GEN. RYDER: Yes, thanks, Tony. As you heard us say as we went into the holidays here, you know, we have no more replenishment funds. And so, right now I'm not anticipating any new PDA announcements in terms of new capabilities, which is why, you know, we'll continue to work closely with Congress and urge them to pass the supplemental.
Q: Final one. F-16s to Ukraine, what's the latest in terms of when they would plan to show up there?
GEN. RYDER: Sure. I don't have any specific dates to provide. That training does continue in Arizona. As you know, that, you know, again, depending on the skill level of the pilot, that can range from five to eight months. And so, I would expect, you know, sometime later this year we'll start to see those pilot's graduate. But I don't have any specifics for you.
Q: You mentioned replenishment money is out. How much is left in PDA for Ukraine?
GEN. RYDER: Right now, we've got roughly $4.2 billion in restored PDA authority, but again, the replenishment funds are expended.
Q: Okay. The other one that I was going to ask is Ukraine. With the $4.2 billion, because there's no replenishment money, does that mean that money is essentially untouchable? Like, you can't dip into the --
GEN. RYDER: So that is the authority to spend funds, again, without having the replenishment funds in order to actually replenish our own funds. It's the authority to spend them but not necessarily the funds available. Thus, we need the supplemental from Congress.
Q: Okay. So you don't actually have $4.2 billion in --
GEN. RYDER: We have the authority to spend that from available funds but wouldn't have the ability to replenish the stocks by taking money out -- or taking stuff out of our inventory.
Q: So in practical terms that means that's not --
GEN. RYDER: We're out of money.
Jan. 4, 2024
These are the remarks regarding Ukraine...
Q: There -- there's a Newsweek story out there that says that there is ATACMS up for destruction, the expired ATACMS, U.S. ATACMS, that would be a significant expense to American taxpayers, according to one former advisor to Ukraine's commander. Is this true? Are there a bunch of ATACMS, expired ATACMS set to be destroyed? And if that is true, why would they not be going to Ukraine?
GEN. RYDER: Yeah, so I've seen those press reports. We looked into this and it is not true. Those reports are false.
Q: On Ukraine questions, one of the things you didn't highlight in your recap was the December 27 presidential drawdown authority of package 54. Is that last package the U.S. can give Ukraine until Congress approves a supplemental?
GEN. RYDER: Yes, thanks, Tony. As you heard us say as we went into the holidays here, you know, we have no more replenishment funds. And so, right now I'm not anticipating any new PDA announcements in terms of new capabilities, which is why, you know, we'll continue to work closely with Congress and urge them to pass the supplemental.
Q: Final one. F-16s to Ukraine, what's the latest in terms of when they would plan to show up there?
GEN. RYDER: Sure. I don't have any specific dates to provide. That training does continue in Arizona. As you know, that, you know, again, depending on the skill level of the pilot, that can range from five to eight months. And so, I would expect, you know, sometime later this year we'll start to see those pilot's graduate. But I don't have any specifics for you.
Q: You mentioned replenishment money is out. How much is left in PDA for Ukraine?
GEN. RYDER: Right now, we've got roughly $4.2 billion in restored PDA authority, but again, the replenishment funds are expended.
Q: Okay. The other one that I was going to ask is Ukraine. With the $4.2 billion, because there's no replenishment money, does that mean that money is essentially untouchable? Like, you can't dip into the --
GEN. RYDER: So that is the authority to spend funds, again, without having the replenishment funds in order to actually replenish our own funds. It's the authority to spend them but not necessarily the funds available. Thus, we need the supplemental from Congress.
Q: Okay. So you don't actually have $4.2 billion in --
GEN. RYDER: We have the authority to spend that from available funds but wouldn't have the ability to replenish the stocks by taking money out -- or taking stuff out of our inventory.
Q: So in practical terms that means that's not --
GEN. RYDER: We're out of money.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:57 pm to cypher
Why are we telling the Russians our plans?
Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:46 pm to doubleb
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Why are we telling the Russians our plans?
We're the good guys, right?
We make no mistakes, right?
It's all someone else's fault, right?
So why would you dare question the Potatobrain Administration?
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:22 pm to cypher
The president still has the authority to bring down price of armament in our inventory to zero dollars.
Maybe not ATACMS but cluster munitions are being destroyed at a cost due Obama EO, which neither Trump nor Biden have reversed
Maybe not ATACMS but cluster munitions are being destroyed at a cost due Obama EO, which neither Trump nor Biden have reversed
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:32 pm to cypher
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways:
Ukrainian military officials reported that Ukrainian forces struck at least one Russian military target in occupied Crimea, while Russian officials and milbloggers claimed that the Ukrainian strike was unsuccessful.
US National Security Council Spokesperson John Kirby stated on January 4 that Russia has already launched ballistic missiles acquired from North Korea at targets in Ukraine and continues efforts to acquire similar missiles from Iran.
Russia may be intensifying efforts to source ballistic missiles from abroad because these missiles appear to be more effective at striking targets in Ukraine in some circumstances.
US National Security Council Spokesperson John Kirby dismissed recent Western reporting of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s willingness to engage in peace negotiations with Ukraine as “ballyhoo” during a press conference on January 3.
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree strengthening procedures for granting foreign citizens Russian citizenship in exchange for Russian military service in Ukraine, likely as part of ongoing efforts to coerce migrants into the Russian military.
Kyrgyzstan sentenced a Kyrgyz citizen to five years in prison for participating in the war in Ukraine as a member of the Wagner Group.
Russia has begun negotiations with Algeria, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), and Saudi Arabia to open Russian cultural centers (Russkii dom) abroad, likely aimed at increasing Russian influence in the Middle East and North Africa.
Russian forces made confirmed advances near Kreminna and Avdiivka as positional engagement continued along the entire frontline.
Ukrainian sources reported that Russian authorities are planning to mobilize Ukrainian teenagers living in occupied Ukraine.
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on January 4 streamlining the process for certain Ukrainians to receive Russian citizenship.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:54 am to StormyMcMan
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
05 January 2024
Over the last week, ground combat has continued to be characterised by either a static front line or very gradual, local Russian advances in key sectors.
In the north, near Kupiansk, Russia's Western Group of Forces continues to conduct a large scale but inconclusive offensive operation. In northern Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine has maintained a stable front line in the face of small-scale Russian attacks around Bakhmut. In central Donetsk, Avdiivka is still heavily contested, while Russian forces have consolidated late December 2023 gains around Marinka, which saw them finally advance to the western edge of the town after nine years of combat in the area.
In southern Ukraine, Russian airborne forces have highly likely made minimal progress in a renewed attempt to dislodge the Ukrainian bridgehead on the eastern bank of the Dnipro around the village of Krynky.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
05 January 2024
Over the last week, ground combat has continued to be characterised by either a static front line or very gradual, local Russian advances in key sectors.
In the north, near Kupiansk, Russia's Western Group of Forces continues to conduct a large scale but inconclusive offensive operation. In northern Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine has maintained a stable front line in the face of small-scale Russian attacks around Bakhmut. In central Donetsk, Avdiivka is still heavily contested, while Russian forces have consolidated late December 2023 gains around Marinka, which saw them finally advance to the western edge of the town after nine years of combat in the area.
In southern Ukraine, Russian airborne forces have highly likely made minimal progress in a renewed attempt to dislodge the Ukrainian bridgehead on the eastern bank of the Dnipro around the village of Krynky.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 5:44 am to cypher
State Department: US may not continue supporting Ukraine at level of 2022, 2023
by Nate Ostiller and The Kyiv Independent news desk January 5, 2024 9:39 AM
The U.S. is committed to supporting Ukraine for "as long as it takes" but that does not mean that the level of support will remain at the levels of 2022 and 2023, State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said at a press conference on Jan. 4.
The U.S. has been mired in an ongoing debate about authorized new funding for Ukraine, which has become an increasingly partisan issue. Senate Republicans blocked a bill containing $61 billion in aid for Ukraine in early December largely for domestic political reasons.
The following week President Joe Biden said that the U.S. will continue to support Ukraine for "as long as we can," a rhetorical shift from his common refrain that the U.S. is committed for "as long as it takes."
Miller's comments come as other U.S. officials have acknowledged that there is essentially no money left for Ukraine aid absent legislative action by Congress.
When asked by a reporter if it is U.S. policy to support Ukraine for as long as it takes, Miller affirmed the statement, but added "That does not mean that we are going to continue to support them at the same level of military funding that we did in 2022 and 2023. We don’t think that should be necessary because the goal is to ultimately transition Ukraine...to stand on its own feet and to help Ukraine build its own industrial base and its own military industrial base so it can both finance and build and acquire munitions on its own."
The Kyiv Independent
by Nate Ostiller and The Kyiv Independent news desk January 5, 2024 9:39 AM
The U.S. is committed to supporting Ukraine for "as long as it takes" but that does not mean that the level of support will remain at the levels of 2022 and 2023, State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said at a press conference on Jan. 4.
The U.S. has been mired in an ongoing debate about authorized new funding for Ukraine, which has become an increasingly partisan issue. Senate Republicans blocked a bill containing $61 billion in aid for Ukraine in early December largely for domestic political reasons.
The following week President Joe Biden said that the U.S. will continue to support Ukraine for "as long as we can," a rhetorical shift from his common refrain that the U.S. is committed for "as long as it takes."
Miller's comments come as other U.S. officials have acknowledged that there is essentially no money left for Ukraine aid absent legislative action by Congress.
When asked by a reporter if it is U.S. policy to support Ukraine for as long as it takes, Miller affirmed the statement, but added "That does not mean that we are going to continue to support them at the same level of military funding that we did in 2022 and 2023. We don’t think that should be necessary because the goal is to ultimately transition Ukraine...to stand on its own feet and to help Ukraine build its own industrial base and its own military industrial base so it can both finance and build and acquire munitions on its own."
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 1/5/24 at 7:50 am to cypher
Given recent post I thought this was interesting
WSJ: Did Ukraine Miss an Early Chance to Negotiate Peace With Russia?
Weeks after the Russian invasion of Ukraine began in February 2022, diplomats from both sides met for peace talks. Then the world learned about Russia’s massacre in Bucha.
There's about 10 more paragraphs but thata the character limit
WSJ: Did Ukraine Miss an Early Chance to Negotiate Peace With Russia?
Weeks after the Russian invasion of Ukraine began in February 2022, diplomats from both sides met for peace talks. Then the world learned about Russia’s massacre in Bucha.
quote:
The lead Ukrainian negotiator, David Arakhamia, pointed to a bottle of sanitizing gel on the table, covered by a crisp white cloth, as Russian and Ukrainian peace delegations gathered in Istanbul’s Dolmabahçe Palace.
“That’s an antiseptic,” Arakhamia told his Russian counterpart, President Vladimir Putin’s adviser Vladimir Medinsky.
“Ah, I thought it’s vodka,” Medinsky joked.
There was plenty of tension behind the jovial appearances during that pivotal meeting on March 29, 2022. Dmytro Kuleba, the Ukrainian foreign minister, had just publicly advised Ukrainian negotiators not to accept any beverages from the Russians and not to touch any surfaces, lest they be poisoned. After all, Russian forces were still at the gates of Kyiv, trying to overthrow President Volodymyr Zelensky and his government.
What actually happened on that momentous Tuesday and in the immediate aftermath has since turned into a matter of fundamental disagreement among Ukraine, Western nations and Russia. The Istanbul meeting has also emerged as a key point of discord in America’s own debate about the war, as indispensable U.S. aid to Ukraine remains stalled in Congress because of Republican opposition. Some argue that Ukraine blew a chance at the time to end the war. The real story paints a different, and far more complicated, picture.
The first meeting between Ukrainian and Russian negotiators happened on Feb. 28, 2022, in the Belarusian city of Gomel, four days after Russian tanks crossed the Ukrainian border. At that encounter, Medinsky recited a long list of the Kremlin’s demands. It included the replacement of Zelensky’s administration with a puppet regime, Ukrainian troops handing over all their tanks and artillery, the arrest and trial of “Nazis”—a Russian euphemism for any Ukrainian opposed to Moscow’s rule—and the restoration of Russian as Ukraine’s official language. Medinsky even demanded that city streets named after Ukrainian national heroes be returned to their old Soviet names.
“We listened to them, and we realized that these are not people sent for talks but for our capitulation,” recalled one of the Ukrainian negotiators, Zelensky’s adviser Mykhailo Podolyak. Yet to gain time the Ukrainians agreed to keep talking
On March 10, Kuleba flew to the Turkish resort town of Antalya to meet his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, in their first encounter since the war began. “I asked Lavrov a simple question behind closed doors in Antalya: Minister, what do you want? That is all I wanted to know,” Kuleba recalled. Lavrov didn’t reply, launching instead into the usual Russian litany of allegations that Ukraine had turned into a neo-Nazi den hellbent on undermining Russia.
In the 19 days between the meeting in Antalya and the Istanbul talks, the battlefield situation shifted dramatically in Ukraine’s favor. All around Kyiv, nimble Ukrainian forces inflicted defeat after defeat on over-extended Russian units.
Throughout the talks, the issue of Ukrainian membership in NATO was a critical part of the agenda. In the first weeks of the war, Zelensky indicated that Ukraine could forgo its dream of joining NATO in exchange for binding security guarantees from the West and Russia alike. Ukrainian negotiators also showed flexibility on Russian demands to reduce the size of Ukraine’s military and freeze the issue of who controls Crimea, a peninsula occupied by Moscow since 2014, for the foreseeable future. None of this, of course, was enough to stop the Russian onslaught on the ground and the Russian bombs and missiles that kept raining down on Ukrainian cities.
As Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan opened the Istanbul talks on March 29, the mandate of the Ukrainian team was to push for a Russian withdrawal to pre-invasion lines while showing openness on many key issues, with actual decisions deferred to a planned meeting between Zelensky and Putin.
Russia’s major demand, in addition to keeping Ukraine out of NATO, was to limit its ability to defend itself in the future. According to draft documents later revealed publicly by Putin, Moscow wanted Ukraine’s armed forces capped at 85,000 troops, 342 tanks and 519 artillery pieces. Ukrainian negotiators in Istanbul countered with a proposal for an army of 250,000 troops, roughly its prewar level, with 800 tanks and 1,900 artillery pieces.
Just as the conference started, Russia’s defense minister, Sergei Shoigu, made a striking announcement from Moscow. The main goals of Russia’s “special military operation” had been generally fulfilled, he said. Hours later, Medinsky appeared at a press conference in Istanbul with even more astonishing news. The talks held that day had achieved significant progress, he announced, and Moscow had decided to take steps to de-escalate the conflict. Battered Russian troops started to withdraw from the Kyiv region and other parts of northern Ukraine.
According to Putin’s version of events, Ukrainian negotiators in Istanbul had accepted most of Russia’s demands. “The agreements were practically reached,” he lamented months later. “Our troops left the center of Ukraine, Kyiv, to create conditions” for further talks to finalize that accord, he said.
Ukraine has vehemently disputed that account. Neither side made binding commitments in Istanbul, according to Kuleba. “There was no deal,” he said. “To engage in a conversation and to commit yourself to something are completely different things.” As for the Russian pullback, Ukrainian and American officials say Putin had no choice but to withdraw by late March because of Ukrainian military successes on the ground.
Col. Igor Girkin, a retired Russian intelligence officer and the former defense minister of a Russian proxy statelet in Donbas, agreed. “If leaving the seized territory has become inevitable, it’s best to do it before your troops are routed by the adversary,” he said shortly after the Istanbul announcements. “We will still need these troops—the war will be long.” Girkin has since been imprisoned in Moscow for criticizing Russian military failures,
On the evening of March 29, as the negotiators saluted each other in Istanbul and made plans to reconvene for the next round of talks, Ukrainian troops were already entering the town of Bucha near Kyiv. What the Ukrainians discovered there rendered moot any understanding reached in Istanbul.
Like other northwestern suburbs in Kyiv’s green belt across the Irpin River, Bucha was a relaxed town of single-family homes and five-story housing blocks set amid pine trees, playgrounds, and parks. It had a handful of resorts, with swimming pools for the guests, and an equestrian club. As Ukrainian forces advanced into Bucha, they stumbled upon a horrifying sight: Dozens of bodies lay rotting under the rain on Yablunska Street and in surrounding areas. Some corpses were missing limbs, likely eaten by dogs, while others had brains spilling from cracked skulls.
As the soldiers probed further, they found several men, many of them stripped naked to their waists, executed and lying on the ground in the courtyard of 144 Yablunska Street. On sidewalks, in ditches and in improvised graves, there were other bodies with their hands tied. Some bore the signs of torture: poked-out eyes, cut-off fingers.
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Posted on 1/5/24 at 7:56 am to StormyMcMan
Just for the record, there's no evidence for this, but it shows you how far Newsweek has fallen that they print wild rumors like this:

Posted on 1/5/24 at 8:00 am to StormyMcMan
The Russian propagandist would tell you that you can’t trust the media. You can only believe what Putin is saying because he’s out to stop the Globalist.
But thanks for sharing this. It confirms what I suspected. Short of surrendering there was no chance for peace.
But thanks for sharing this. It confirms what I suspected. Short of surrendering there was no chance for peace.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 8:00 am to cypher
quote:
Over the last week, ground combat has continued to be characterised by either a static front line or very gradual, local Russian advances in key sectors.
In the north, near Kupiansk, Russia's Western Group of Forces continues to conduct a large scale but inconclusive offensive operation. In northern Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine has maintained a stable front line in the face of small-scale Russian attacks around Bakhmut. In central Donetsk, Avdiivka is still heavily contested, while Russian forces have consolidated late December 2023 gains around Marinka, which saw them finally advance to the western edge of the town after nine years of combat in the area.
Swap the dates, village names, and exchange the names Ukraine and Russia for France and Germany and this dispatch could have been written in early 1916.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 8:36 am to StormyMcMan
Will be summarily dismissed by weak-principled individuals with an inflated sense of self-relevance and intelligence.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 9:14 am to GOP_Tiger
Oh its all good, they presented the title as a question, so they get to report anything they want after that.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 9:26 am to Darth_Vader
With the exception of this blurb
Sobering reminder this war did not start in 2022.
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which saw them finally advance to the western edge of the town after nine years of combat in the area.
Sobering reminder this war did not start in 2022.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 9:47 am to Hateradedrink
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Sobering reminder this war did not start in 2022.
Yes, too many act as if this war began two years ago; however, it’s obvious that it didn’t.
It got much larger in 2022, but Russia had already conquered Crimea and parts of Eastern Ukraine.
The truth is Obama and the West did hardly anything to help Ukraine in 2014, Trump and the West did a little more, but Putin laughed at Biden and pushed all his chips in in 2022.
Putin can blame NATO all he wants. He can call Ukrainians Nazis too. Some will swallow his fairy tale about the Biolabs, but this war began when his stooge was thrown out.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 10:18 am to cypher
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The U.S. is committed to supporting Ukraine for "as long as it takes" but that does not mean that the level of support will remain at the levels of 2022 and 2023, State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said at a press conference on Jan. 4.
quote:
The following week President Joe Biden said that the U.S. will continue to support Ukraine for "as long as we can," a rhetorical shift from his common refrain that the U.S. is committed for "as long as it takes."
They are crawfishing. Ukraine is screwed.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 10:20 am to AU86
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They are crawfishing. Ukraine is screwed.
And we are telling the Russians.
Americans aren’t told what’s in major legislation, but we broadcast our foreign policy to the world. We are screwed too.
Let me ask the board this question, why would Putin need to negotiate knowing we are throwing in the towel?
Posted on 1/5/24 at 11:04 am to doubleb
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Let me ask the board this question, why would Putin need to negotiate knowing we are throwing in the towel?
Because Europe is still signaling a willingness to fight.
We may end up in a situation where Ukraine, Poland and a few other Eastern European countries (i.e. Estonia, Czech Republic) continue to fight the Russians.
A ceasefire allows Russia to lock-in gains, take the pressure off the Russian country and gear up for the next invasion of Ukraine in 2-5 years.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 11:08 am to AU86
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They are crawfishing. Ukraine is screwed.
While the current "vibes" seem pessimistic, let's see what happens.
You really think the US government can resist spending $60b that will mostly go into the pockets of defense contractors? I don't. I guess we'll see.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 11:18 am to RuLSU
Would you trust the Biden administration with your survival? He had the support for the first year to deliver anything and everything needed for victory. They failed miserably. Weakness, unreliable and incompetent best describes this administration. If I was Zelensky and Ukraine I would be sweating it right now.
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