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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/3/24 at 1:31 pm to doubleb
Posted on 1/3/24 at 1:31 pm to doubleb
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How so? We aren’t sending troops to fight.
Oh, if the US doesn't spend $60b on Ukraine, the US government will instead build flying cars, high speed rail, a perfect utopia and cure all diseases with free healthcare.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 2:22 pm to RuLSU
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Oh, if the US doesn't spend $60b on Ukraine, the US government will instead build flying cars, high speed rail, a perfect utopia and cure all diseases with free healthcare.
Too bad we had to divert all that money from these miracle projects and stymie our civilization.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 3:03 pm to Scuttle But
Read a post that almost all of the Leopard 2A4 tanks are out of action.
Russia is grinding these guys down.
Funny how we only see videos of Russian stuff getting destroyed but only Russia seems to be gaining any ground.
Not pulling for them, but it sure seems bad.
Lots of dead people, just a shame.
Wondering what the map looks like an another year.
Putin does not give a frick about people if he can increase the size of Russia.
Russia is grinding these guys down.
Funny how we only see videos of Russian stuff getting destroyed but only Russia seems to be gaining any ground.
Not pulling for them, but it sure seems bad.
Lots of dead people, just a shame.
Wondering what the map looks like an another year.
Putin does not give a frick about people if he can increase the size of Russia.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 3:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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was an odd set of proposals and emphases if Putin was not worried about NATO.
It's even weirder that when he was offered Ukraine non alliance Putin rejected it since it was the whole crux of his totally legitimate invasion
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PARIS, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.
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Posted on 1/3/24 at 3:21 pm to Pfft
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Read a post that almost all of the Leopard 2A4 tanks are out of action.
Are you referring to this?
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Only a small number of Leopards remain in Ukrainian service - Spiegel
Sebastian Schäfer of Germany's Green Party is calling on the German government to strengthen repair capacity in Lithuania to get the damaged AFU vehicles back in working order.
Germany handed over 18 Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine in March 2023 after long hesitation, but they are now significantly damaged and worn out.
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Posted on 1/3/24 at 3:30 pm to StormyMcMan
Putin wasn’t negotiating in good faith. He was doing what the Japs were doing in late 1941.
It was all a show.
It was all a show.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 3:40 pm to StormyMcMan
I wonder how many are out of service due to combat vs. maintenance.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:27 pm to StormyMcMan
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Read a post that almost all of the Leopard 2A4 tanks are out of action.
Other nations have given more Leopards so its more than just 16 to start with.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:45 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:Are you really this fricking stupid?
as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal
Posted on 1/3/24 at 6:52 pm to NC_Tigah
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as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal
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Are you really this fricking stupid?
quote:Oh!
Ryabkov said the country is "fed up" with what he called loose talk and half promises.
"We do not trust the other side," he stated. "We need ironclad, waterproof, bulletproof, legally binding guarantees — not assurances, not safeguards — guarantees with all the words"
Hey Vlad, call off the invasion!
Now that we've invaded, we've got a PROVISIONAL, non-ironclad, non-waterproof, non-bulletproof, non-legally binding guarantee with all the words from the other side whom we no longer trust.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 7:12 pm to NC_Tigah
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Now that we've invaded, we've got a PROVISIONAL, non-ironclad, non-waterproof, non-bulletproof, non-legally binding guarantee with all the words from the other side whom we no longer trust.
You understand how negotiations work right? Things aren't signed and THEN negotiated...they are negotiated then signed. Hopefully you aren't "that fricking stupid" to not understand that
But I'll just reference this post next time the "NATO expansion" excuse comes up.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 7:14 pm to StormyMcMan
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways:
Russia and Ukraine conducted a prisoner of war (POW) exchange on January 3 in what was the largest POW exchange of the war to date and the first official POW exchange since August 2023.
Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal stated on January 3 that Ukraine plans to increase its defense industrial base (DIB) output six-fold in 2024.
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba announced on January 3 that the NATO-Ukraine Council (NUC) will hold an emergency meeting in response to Russia’s recent mass air strikes against Ukraine.
NATO member states continue initiatives to support Ukrainian operations in the air domain.
Kremlin-affiliated mouthpieces may be setting information conditions to blame the West for a potential future conflict in the Arctic.
Kazakhstan President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev characterized Russia as Kazakhstan’s “main partner and ally” in an interview published on January 3 despite recent efforts to distance Kazakhstan from Russia.
Russian forces made confirmed advances near Avdiivka and Donetsk City as positional engagements continued along the entire line of contact.
The Donetsk People’s Republic’s (DNR) “Vostok” Battalion stated on January 3 that the unit will continue to operate subordinated to Rosgvardia and will not be impacted by the Russian military’s reported dissolution of the “Kaskad” operational combat tactical formation of the DNR’s Internal Affairs Ministry (MVD).
Russian authorities continue efforts to integrate occupied Ukraine into Russia using infrastructure projects and social outreach programs.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 8:17 pm to StormyMcMan
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You understand how negotiations work right? Things aren't signed and THEN negotiated...they are negotiated then signed. Hopefully you aren't "that fricking stupid" to not understand that
I'm not going to have to go out on a limb to say that NC_Tigah doesn't understand. It shows in his numerous arguments full of fallacies and lack of logical thinking
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:03 pm to StormyMcMan
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Kremlin-affiliated mouthpieces may be setting information conditions to blame the West for a potential future conflict in the Arctic.
We see this here.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:41 pm to doubleb
European countries have come together to order 1,000 Patriot missiles for $5.5 billion to help restock Ukraine’s launchers that have had to expend a lot of missiles over the last month. No timeline how long it will take for the new stock of missiles to rewatch Ukraine though as they will be new off the production line instead of existing stocks.
LINK
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:00 am to StormyMcMan
quote:I do.
You understand how negotiations work right?
quote:Do that. Along with it, reference your perspectives on negotiation subsequent to an invasion which occurred due to failed diplomacy.
But I'll just reference this post
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:01 am to LSUPilot07
WSJ: Russia Moves Forward With Plans to Buy Iranian Ballistic Missiles
Moscow in recent weeks has also begun receiving ballistic missiles from North Korea
Moscow in recent weeks has also begun receiving ballistic missiles from North Korea
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Russia is planning to buy short-range ballistic missiles from Iran, a step that would enhance Moscow’s ability to target Ukraine’s infrastructure at a critical moment in the conflict, U.S. officials said.
Moscow’s plans have provoked deep concern within the Biden administration and come as support wanes in Congress for continued U.S. military assistance for Ukraine. Lawmakers have yet to pass a bill that would provide additional funding for Ukraine.
“The United States is concerned that Russian negotiations to acquire close-range ballistic missiles from Iran are actively advancing,” one of the U.S. officials said. “We assess that Russia intends to purchase missile systems from Iran.”
Delivery of the Iranian missiles could happen as soon as this spring if the purchase proceeds, but U.S. officials don’t believe the deal has been completed.
The Iranian missiles would add to Moscow’s recent acquisitions. Russia has already begun to receive ballistic-missile launchers and several dozen ballistic missiles from North Korea, the officials said.
U.S. officials said that Moscow’s desire to acquire Iranian missiles was evident in mid-December when a Russia delegation visited an Iranian training area to observe ballistic missiles and related equipment displayed by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Aerospace Force, including its short-range Ababil missile.
That visit, which hasn’t previously been disclosed and marks a further step toward acquiring Iranian missiles, followed a September trip by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to the headquarters of the IRGC Aerospace Force in Tehran. During that visit, Shoigu observed a display of the Ababil and other missile systems, U.S. officials said. He also met Maj. Gen. Mohammad Bagheri, the chief of staff of Iran’s armed forces, and boasted that Russian-Iranian relations were reaching a new level.
Engulfed in a grinding war of attrition and facing international sanctions, Russia has also turned to North Korea to supplement its efforts to produce arms at home. Russian President Vladimir Putin and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un held a summit at a spaceport in Russia’s far east in September and pledged greater cooperation on economic and security issues.
In the past several weeks, North Korea has begun to ship a range of weaponry to Russia, including, for the first time, short-range ballistic missiles to eastern Russia, according to several officials familiar with the transaction. The weaponry includes previously reported stocks of artillery, officials said.
Military analysts say that Moscow’s acquisition of the Iranian and North Korean missiles could provide an important boost for Russia as it is stepping up its attacks and trying to overwhelm Ukraine’s antimissile defenses.
“The strikes that Russia has executed in recent days demonstrate the importance to the Russians of having a large supply of ballistic missiles,” said Frederick Kagan, director of the Critical Threats Project at the American Enterprise Institute, a Washington think tank.
Russia has been looking for ways to overcome Ukrainian air defenses by increasing the number of missiles launched, and adjusting the types of weapons it is using, according to Kagan. “Having enough ballistic missiles in their arsenal is a very important part of that,” he added.
Russia has already acquired a large number of drones from Iran to attack Ukraine. Moscow and Tehran have also been building a new factory in Russia that could make thousands of drones for the conflict, U.S. officials have said.
Russia’s outreach to Iran and North Korea represents a shift from its posture in past years when it cooperated with the U.S. and other Western powers in trying to limit the two nations’ capabilities.
The U.S. fears that Russia’s growing cooperation with Tehran will not only help Moscow’s war effort in Ukraine but also strengthen Iran’s military capabilities in the Middle East and potentially provide revenue to bolster its economy, which has been battered by Western sanctions. In November, U.S. officials said that Russia has been helping Tehran develop its satellite collection capabilities and has also been offering “unprecedented defense cooperation” on missiles, military electronics and air defense.
A U.N. Security Council resolution adopted soon after the 2015 Iran nuclear deal banned Tehran from exporting or importing some types of missiles and drones, as well as military technology that can be used to produce and operate missiles, without the approval of the council.
But that restriction formally expired in October, raising concerns among some Western officials that Tehran may now seek to turn to military sales to Russia and other nations.
With the expiration of the U.N. ban, the U.S. imposed sanctions intended to discourage Iran’s missile trade and issued a statement with 47 other nations vowing to block Iran’s sale of ballistic missiles and related technology. But Russia’s Foreign Ministry has said the U.N. restrictions on buying missile technology from Iran or providing it to Tehran no longer need to be followed.
Before its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia was a more cooperative partner with Washington. It joined the U.S., European nations and China in negotiating the 2015 nuclear deal with Tehran. It also supported tough sanctions in the U.N. Security Council on North Korea through 2017 in response to Pyongyang’s nuclear and ballistic missile activities.
“Russia was basically supportive of getting North Korea to accept all kinds of restrictions,” said Robert Einhorn, a former senior State Department official, referring to the bygone era of cooperation.
Moscow’s latest actions reflect a shift in its strategic orientation, according to Einhorn. “Its foreign policy is largely based on undermining U.S. interests,” he said.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:05 am to StormyMcMan
He’s gotten to the “I’m obviously wrong but I’m going to pretend to myself I’m not because my ego can’t handle it” phase.
Actually he’s kinda been there but the progressively meltier melt is indicating more frustration
Actually he’s kinda been there but the progressively meltier melt is indicating more frustration
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:08 am to NC_Tigah
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Along with it, reference your perspectives on negotiation subsequent to an invasion which occurred due to failed diplomacy.
So is your stance that negotiations can or cannot occur "subsequent to an invasion which occurred due to failed diplomacy" . Because it's sounding like you think it couldn't happen then but are also stating:
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OTOH, a negotiated settlement should have occurred Apr22. Parties should be at the table now.
LINK
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:18 am to LSUPilot07
And that most likely is going to American companies to build the rockets…..
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