re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Ukraine knocked out 3 MSTA-S SPGs, 3 BM-21 Grad rocket launchers, 1 BM-27 Uragan, 1 2S4 Tyulpan 240 mm self propelled mortar and a Strela-10 air defense system in Donetsk. It’s amazing that they can take losses like this regularly and just always seem to have a replacement but eventually that even has to end and I suspect they will run out of trained crews before actual artillery systems.

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Ukraine has taken delivery of 26 new Czech Dana-M2 152 mm wheeled SPGs that were given to the 56th Motorized Brigade, aka the Mariupol Brigade that is currently fighting in the Donetsk area.

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Wait, I thought Putin launched this was to fight Nazis in Ukraine.

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Did you? Really?

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retaining the regained portions of their land.

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When was Ukraine ever part of Russia? The Tsarist Empire conquests of like 1667? Really?

So we can let all nations go back to whatever their borders were in medieval times?


Does Germany get to invade France again ? What about Mexico taking back the part of Texas that used to be theirs? Seems only right

Your intellectual peers on the poliboard are still citing ukranian nazis.

A quick search revealed a post about how Laura Loomer ( ) is exposing nazi ukranian infiltrators in Florida

British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 03 January 2024

Since 29 December 2023, Russia has increased the intensity of its long-range strike operations against Ukraine. Its forces have committed a significant proportion of the stock of air launched cruise missiles and ballistic missiles they had built up over recent months.

The recent strikes likely primarily targeted Ukraine's defence industry. This contrasts with its major attacks last winter which prioritised striking Ukraine's energy infrastructure. Russia appeared set to restart this campaign by hitting energy sites in early December 2023.

These new operations suggest at least a temporary change of approach in Russia's use of long-range strikes. Russian planners almost certainly recognise the growing importance of relative defence industrial capacity as they prepare for a long war.

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Wait, I thought Putin launched this was to fight Nazis in Ukraine.

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He launched the war in 2014. Supposedly to take back which was rightfully theirs and to “rescue” Russian speaking people from harassment.

The large scale invasion was getting organized as early as March of 2021 right after Biden took office.

I don’t believe Putin was worried about NATO, he saw a weak US president so he elected to make his biggest move.

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How's that working out for him?

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I think he was surprised that Biden and the West got so involved after the stunning reversal Russia suffered around Kiev.

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I don’t believe Putin was worried about NATO

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Russia issues list of demands it says must be met to lower tensions in Europe
Contentious security guarantees Moscow is seeking include a ban on Ukraine from entering Nato
by Andrew Roth
17 Dec 2021

Russia has put forward a highly contentious list of security guarantees it says it wants the west to agree to in order to lower tensions in Europe and defuse the crisis over Ukraine, including many elements that have already been ruled out.

The demands include a ban on Ukraine entering Nato and a limit to the deployment of troops and weapons to Nato’s eastern flank, in effect returning Nato forces to where they were stationed in 1997, before an eastward expansion.

The eight-point draft treaty was released by Russia’s foreign ministry as its forces massed within striking distance of Ukraine’s borders. Moscow said ignoring its interests would lead to a “military response” similar to the Cuban missile crisis of 1962.

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In summary, the eight-point draft treaty sought:

• Binding guarantees that Ukraine would never join NATO. This was the crux demand. Russia contented NATO expansion eastward threatened Russia's security.
• NATO roll back its military deployments in eastern European countries which joined after 1997, Russia contented NATO was encroaching too close to Russia's borders.
• Recognition and agreements about Russian control over the Crimean peninsula.
• That Ukraine allow a much greater level of autonomy and independence for the eastern Ukrainian regions of Donetsk and Luhansk.

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The US and Russia discussed the Russian NATO proposal in Jan 2022. The US told Russia to pound sand.

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NPR

Russia digs in on Ukraine never joining NATO, on a day of talks with the U.S.
By Bill Chappell
January 10, 2022

The idea that Ukraine, Russia's neighbor, might someday join NATO "is one of the areas where we have the greatest difference of views with the U.S.," Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Monday, after an hours-long discussion with his U.S. counterpart, Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman.

Sherman and Ryabkov posed together at the start of the session, convened as an effort to ease tensions aroused by Russia's positioning of some 100,000 troops along its border with Ukraine. But they both said the discussions achieved no breakthroughs — and after the talks were over, Sherman and Ryabkov each held separate briefings with the media rather than appear together.
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"For us, it's absolutely mandatory to make sure that Ukraine never, never, ever becomes a member of NATO," Ryabkov said at a news conference after the day-long meeting in Geneva, Switzerland.

But Sherman said NATO's open-door policy is one of the alliance's key strengths, and she said the U.S. "will not allow anyone" to slam that door shut. She also said the U.S. won't allow Russia to dictate how it cooperates with other sovereign states.
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Of the Russian side, Ryabkov said the country is "fed up" with what he called loose talk and half promises.

"We do not trust the other side," he stated. "We need ironclad, waterproof, bulletproof, legally binding guarantees — not assurances, not safeguards — guarantees with all the words" spelling out with certainty that Ukraine shall never become a member of NATO.

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It was an odd set of proposals and emphases if Putin was not worried about NATO.

wasting our kids future on another countries war

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wasting our kids future on another countries war

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I cannot begin to count how many childless men (some incels) who make this claim. Not supporting Ukraine will do EXACTLY the opposite.