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Posted on 12/10/23 at 2:48 pm to Lima Whiskey
Russia can build new and fix older tanks as much as they want and the U.S. is producing very few if any (i’m not sure at this exact second) tanks right now but good luck with that ever becoming a problem. They can have all the tank they want but it’s not going to mean shite when they get their arse shot off from the air. The Russian Air Force would be destroyed in short order by the U.S. or another competent AF like the RAF or Luftwaffe.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:03 pm to RuLSU
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I'd bet Russia cares more about EU membership than NATO membership
That would line up with Putin rejecting peace deals
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Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.
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But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions negotiated by his aide did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory, the sources said. The upshot: the deal was dropped.
Asked about Reuters findings, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: "That has absolutely no relation to reality. No such thing ever happened. It is absolutely incorrect information."
Kozak did not respond to requests for comment sent via the Kremlin.
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Two of the three sources said a push to get the deal finalized occurred immediately after Russia's Feb. 24 invasion. Within days, Kozak believed he had Ukraine's agreement to the main terms Russia had been seeking and recommended to Putin that he sign an agreement, the sources said.
"After Feb. 24, Kozak was given carte blanche: they gave him the green light; he got the deal. He brought it back and they told him to clear off. Everything was cancelled. Putin simply changed the plan as he went along," said one of the sources close to the Russian leadership.
The third source - who was told about the events by people who were briefed on the discussions between Kozak and Putin - differed on the timing, saying Kozak had proposed the deal to Putin, and had it rejected, just before the invasion. The sources all requested anonymity to share sensitive internal information.
LINK
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:09 pm to CitizenK
quote:By "Feb 2022," you mean after the invasion was underway?
Ukraine was not going to join NATO, as of Feb 2022.
As the Ruskies were marching to Kyiv, Ukraine said Wait! Wait! Wait! Stop the invasion and we'll shutter our NATO plans.
Is that your point of reference?
Russia thought it was going to waltz into Kyiv at that point, so Ukraine backing off the NATO talk was not going to stop anything.
Later, when Russia got its arse kicked in the Kyiv assault, and stepped back to the negotiating table, the whole kit and kaboodle was up for discussion ... until Johnson and Austin scuttled the talks.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:37 pm to NC_Tigah
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By "Feb 2022," you mean after the invasion was underway?
Put down the obscure news sources and Tucker crack pipe.
Public sentiment even after Russia's invasion in 2014 was no NATO. That all changed with Russia 2022 actions. Even ethnic Russians switched to wanting NATO.
Now go holler Nuland all you want, and look like the stupo you appear to be except to maybe your nutter peers
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:46 pm to cypher
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Zelensky to meet Biden on Tuesday at the White House.
He also has a meeting scheduled with Speaker Johnson.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:55 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Zelensky to meet Biden on Tuesday at the White House.
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He also has a meeting scheduled with Speaker Johnson.
Maybe Zelensky can convince Biden how important it is to secure our borders.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:59 pm to CitizenK
quote:Public sentiment? By what measure? Z and PotatoBrain were talking NATO through the invasion timeframe.
Public sentiment even after Russia's invasion in 2014 was no NATO.
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Put down the obscure news
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Tucker crack pipe
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Now go holler Nuland all you want
quote:Do you feel better?
look like the stupo you appear to be
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:15 pm to Tiger985
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Ukraine is pleading with the Albanese government for a regular supply of coal as Russia lobs intense attacks on its electricity grid, and will soon make a fresh request for the RAAF’s retired F/A-18 fighter jets after a deal to transfer them to an American company lapsed.
The Biden administration blocked Ukraine’s request for these planes earlier in the conflict. The Biden administration could give Australia permission to export them to Ukraine and it would not cost the USA a dime (unless we pick up the tab for training). This should be an easy one for everyone to support.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:20 pm to WeeWee
quote:So what do you suppose is the Biden game? It's a rhetorical, but I'm curious as to your thoughts.
The Biden administration blocked Ukraine’s request for these planes earlier in the conflict. The Biden administration could give Australia permission to export them to Ukraine and it would not cost the USA a dime (unless we pick up the tab for training).
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:27 pm to WeeWee
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The Biden administration blocked Ukraine’s request for these planes earlier in the conflict. The Biden administration could give Australia permission to export them to Ukraine and it would not cost the USA a dime (unless we pick up the tab for training). This should be an easy one for everyone to support.
These are old airframes with a lot of hours on them. They will require extensive maintenance and support, and this would inevitably need to be done by the US.
And the experienced pilots that Ukraine would need to get these in the sky quickly are already training on F-16s, so we'd be talking about a much longer training process with inexperienced pilots.
I'm not saying that it's not worth doing -- just saying why the Pentagon might not think this is a great idea.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:59 pm to NC_Tigah
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So what do you suppose is the Biden game? It's a rhetorical, but I'm curious as to your thoughts.
1. IMHO, the Biden administration is more concerned about keeping Ukraine from losing prior to the 2024 election instead of Ukraine actually winning. If the Biden administration was serious about helping Ukraine win then it would let Australia, Finland, and any other nation with F18s give F18s to Ukraine just like they approved other nations giving F16s. They would also let Ukraine’s have as many of the recently retired Super Cobra and the other USMC helicopters that are sitting in Arizona collecting dust.
2. Jake Sullivan or someone else high up in the administration is getting set up for a nice job lobbying for Lockheed Martin and not Boeing. The F16 decision took forever but it atleast was under consideration. When Ukraine asked for the Australian F18s earlier the administration decided to focus on the F16s instead of doing both. When Boeing supported Ukraine’s request for some of the recently retired USMC F18s the administration didn’t even consider it.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:19 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Drones from the Arabians? They’re useful. The Iranians developed something cheap and unique, that can be used to stress and deplete Ukrainian air defense systems. And that’s worked.
They worked last year but are not nearly as effective as they were last winter. The Ukrainians have built “cope cages,” and reinforced their critical infrastructure points with Texas walls and sandbags. That’s why rolling blackouts in Ukraine are lasting less than 2 hours compared to 8-12 hours last year.
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worked. The Ukrainians are now retrofitting western missiles on their Soviet era systems because stocks have run so low, and largely due to these raids.
They are figuring out how to keep using their existing systems and finding new stockpiles of ammo for them. The west has huge stockpiles of decommissioned SAMs that they have figured out how to fire from Ukraine’s SAM launchers. This is actually making Ukraine’s launchers more effective because they don’t have to ration their SAMs as much as when they were only relying on their stores of Soviet era missiles.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:31 pm to GOP_Tiger
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These are old airframes with a lot of hours on them. They will require extensive maintenance and support, and this would inevitably need to be done by the US.
14 of the 41 were good enough to be used for “enemy combatants” in training in the USA. So they could likely be used in Ukraine. Australia could agree to pay for the maintenance on the F18s like they agreed to pay for the maintenance needed to get the M113s they gave to Ukraine ready for the battlefield. In that case, Boeing would likely get the contract to get them air worthy. That would likely be jobs for Americans paid for by Australia.
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And the experienced pilots that Ukraine would need to get these in the sky quickly are already training on F-16s, so we'd be talking about a much longer training process with inexperienced pilots. I'm not saying that it's not worth doing -- just saying why the Pentagon might not think this is a great idea.
Australia and Ukraine are blocked by US military export restrictions from even discussing it and discussing things like who would pay for training and maintenance until the USA gives permission. It maybe a dead end but the Biden administration should at least approve it so Australia and Ukraine can see if they can make the deal work. It possibly gives Ukraine more 4th generation fighters without costing the USA a dime at this point.
ETA: I can’t type worth a damn today so excuse the typos.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:42 pm to WeeWee
quote:Translation: Potatobrain is interested in a stalemate.
IMHO, the Biden administration is more concerned about keeping Ukraine from losing prior to the 2024 election instead of Ukraine actually winning.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:12 pm to NC_Tigah
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IMHO, the Biden administration is more concerned about keeping Ukraine from losing prior to the 2024 election instead of Ukraine actually winning.Translation: Potatobrain is interested in a stalemate.
I don’t think Potatobrain (President Biden) knows the difference between Ukraine and Uganda right now. I think his administration is full of the same spineless people who kicked off the Arab Spring under Obama and then didn’t know how to stop it when it started taking out friendly governments (i.e Egypt) and sending countries (i.e Syria and Libya) into civil war. Those same people also are making the same mistakes as the Johnson administration made thinking that they could micromanage a war thousand of miles away from the west wing.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:50 pm to WeeWee
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways:
Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova emphasized that Russia's maximalist objectives in Ukraine have not changed, repeating the Kremlin’s demand for full Ukrainian political capitulation and Kyiv’s acceptance of Russia’s military and territorial demands rather than suggesting any willingness to negotiate seriously.
Zakharova's demand that Ukraine withdraw its troops from "Russian territory" as a necessary prerequisite for the resolution of the war suggests that Russia's maximalist objectives include controlling the entirety of the four oblasts it has illegally annexed parts of.
The Kremlin continues to express an increasingly anti-Israel position in the Israel–Hamas war despite feigning interest in being a neutral arbitrator in the conflict.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky traveled to Latin America on December 10 likely in order to secure Latin American support for Ukraine.
Russian military authorities in Armenia are likely attempting to maintain military power over Armenia amidst the continued deterioration of Armenian-Russian relations.
Russian forces conducted a small series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on December 9 and 10.
Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, west of Donetsk City, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in some areas.
Russian milbloggers continue to criticize the purported Russian military ban on the use of civilian vehicles for military purposes.
Russian authorities continue long-term efforts to indoctrinate Ukrainian students in occupied Ukraine by directing funding to educational institutions in occupied Ukraine.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 7:35 pm to StormyMcMan
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Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova emphasized that Russia's maximalist objectives in Ukraine have not changed, repeating the Kremlin’s demand for full Ukrainian political capitulation and Kyiv’s acceptance of Russia’s military and territorial demands rather than suggesting any willingness to negotiate seriously.
But the anti-Ukraine ppl told me that it was Kyiv who was refusing to negotiate.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:09 pm to WeeWee
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But the anti-Ukraine ppl told me that it was Kyiv who was refusing to negotiate.
You need to learn that these types can read a story, and they immediately know if it’s legit or not. Their takes are beyond question.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:17 pm to WeeWee
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But the anti-Ukraine ppl told me that it was Kyiv who was refusing to negotiate.
They’re most likely paid trolls from the Russian Internet Research Agency.
Or useful idiots that have been swayed by the paid trolls.
Probably a combination of both.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 9:18 pm
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