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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/10/23 at 7:34 am to StormyMcMan
Posted on 12/10/23 at 7:34 am to StormyMcMan
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Just to be blunt how did this work out for the USSR and the US in Afghanistan?
It's the terrain in Afghanistan that gives everyone the problems.
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Posted on 12/10/23 at 7:54 am to CitizenK
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Foreign volunteers have been a big help to Ukraine.
I disagree. They get a lot of publicity, but there aren't that many of them.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 8:43 am to Errerrerrwere
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What makes you think Ukraine is winning?
Go back to the grocery store. You bring nothing to this thread except your usual BS.
No one believes Ukraine is winning right now, but unlike you people here know the war isn’t over.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 8:47 am to Lima Whiskey
So why are the Russians not putting all these new tanks on the front lines? Why are they getting substandard shells from N Korea? Drones from the Arabians?
Production issues at home, that’s why.
Production issues at home, that’s why.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 8:52 am to Obtuse1
Lmao. Is this the economy that is gaining traction on us according to LW and Errrwerrw? Russia should be more concerned with surpassing Papua New Guinea before it can catch up to our economy.
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Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:59 am to Errerrerrwere
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What makes you think Ukraine is winning?
And what makes you think they will eventually win?
I'll hang up and listen.
Where did I even bring that up? I only disagreed with the disparity of manpower and equipment
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:00 am to doubleb
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No one believes Ukraine is winning right now, but unlike you people here know the war isn’t over.
Just need more american dollars
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:06 am to doubleb
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So why are the Russians not putting all these new tanks on the front lines?
This is not a great way to estimate the composition of the Russian tank forces, but it’s better than nothing.
If you do watch combat footage T-90s started showing up in numbers around 12 months ago.
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Why are they getting substandard shells from N Korea?
A million is a big number. We’ve sent Ukraine a bit more than 2 million shells in total? The Estonians estimated Russian production at 3.4 million shells a year, so this would represent 29% of their annual production.
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Drones from the Arabians?
They’re useful. The Iranians developed something cheap and unique, that can be used to stress and deplete Ukrainian air defense systems. And that’s worked. The Ukrainians are now retrofitting western missiles on their Soviet era systems because stocks have run so low, and largely due to these raids.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 10:07 am
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:33 am to Lima Whiskey
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They can turn out somewhere around 1200 MBTs a year,
How Many Tanks a Month russian "Uralvagonzavod" Can Produce, Really
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In one of the paragraphs, British journalists refer to russian media and say that russian "Uralvagonzavod" armor plant can produce up to 20 tanks, and in the other fragment they say it "rebuilds about eight tanks a month". And here's the dilemma, does the plant eachmonth deliver 20 new tanks + 8 refurbished, or 20 combat-ready tanks in total.
https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/how_many_tanks_a_month_russian_uralvagonzavod_can_produce_really-5921.html
Posted on 12/10/23 at 10:45 am to CitizenK
I think morale will decide the end result. Morale is rooted in the reason the troops will hold the line despite the cold, wet, miserable, stressed reality of the war.
Ukraine is fighting for its existence, its home and hearth with an ugly history of abuse by Moscow hanging over it all.
Russians in the trenches are fighting for Putin's Peter the Great delusions.
Ukraine is fighting for its existence, its home and hearth with an ugly history of abuse by Moscow hanging over it all.
Russians in the trenches are fighting for Putin's Peter the Great delusions.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 11:51 am to doubleb
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No one believes Ukraine is winning right now, but unlike you people here know the war isn’t over
But it absolutely fricking is over. And it will ultimately end on Russia's terms and they will get everything they wanted.
You will get no more funding, you are already out of man power, you don't have anything else technology-wise to mor Russia back to their border, and bleeding out world-wide support.
The only ones who can't see this is over are the people in this thread.
All I'm doing is telling you the samw thing I've always said.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 12:28 pm to Errerrerrwere
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All I'm doing is telling you the samw thing I've always said
You are like a broken clock, eventually you will be right; the war will be over.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 12:33 pm to Errerrerrwere
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But it absolutely fricking is over. And it will ultimately end on Russia's terms and they will get everything they wanted.
is it? they is still plenty of will to fight on both sides. it will still likely end in a negotiated end eventually, but when....
Barring a big breakthrough from either side (witch doesn't look like any time soon) then it will end in both side not getting what the fully want. Russia will not give up what is captured unless they are pushed out. and Ukraine will not surrender (give up government) nor will they agree to any no NATO/EU clause.
at this point the best both side can get (barring a breakout) is Ukraine NATO/EU pathway and Russia keeps land they own now.
I dont see that as "Russia will get everything the wanted"
wild card to end this earlier is "will to fight/Morale" history shows in a stalemate, the side defending the "Homeland" has more staying power
Posted on 12/10/23 at 12:58 pm to tigeraddict
quote:In the end, terms of peace will not differ substantially from those which were on the table 90 days after the outset of war. That's the sad truth.
I dont see that as "Russia will get everything the wanted"
Posted on 12/10/23 at 1:03 pm to tigeraddict
quote:We'll see. My guess is that as funding evaporates from NATO nations, Ukraine will agree to a no-NATO premise. Perhaps, there can be some sort of autonomy of the eastern oblasts, sans Crimea. But that will be the general sphere of settlement terms.
nor will they agree to any no NATO/EU clause.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 1:12 pm to Philzilla2k
quote:Perfect!
Putin lover!
The UV/DV in response is also hilarious.
Res ipsa loquitur.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 1:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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We'll see. My guess is that as funding evaporates from NATO nations, Ukraine will agree to a no-NATO premise.
you may be right, but no NATO pathway just means we are back in the same situation within the next 10 years. having a defensive alliance will prevent a recurrence down the road.
and ukraine has been fighting Russia since 2014, with little help from the west (Obama sent blankets) so i also dont see them relenting without something to stop it happening a 3rd time a few years from now.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 1:45 pm to Errerrerrwere
The war is over again? I'm sure a lot of Russians dying for no reason in Ukraine will be thrilled to hear that.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 1:49 pm to NC_Tigah
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My guess is that as funding evaporates from NATO nations, Ukraine will agree to a no-NATO premise. Perhaps, there can be some sort of autonomy of the eastern oblasts, sans Crimea. But that will be the general sphere of settlement terms.
I'd bet Russia cares more about EU membership than NATO membership.
What Russia really wants to prevent is Ukraine joining the EU, not NATO. If Russia cared about NATO they would have freaked out about Sweden/Finland joining.
No, IMO, they're worried about a lot of the natural resources on Ukrainian land moving west instead of east.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 2:45 pm to NC_Tigah
Ukraine was not going to join NATO, as of Feb 2022. It was on a path to join the EU. Russia changed all of that in 2022.
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