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Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:49 pm to RuLSU
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It’s not a bad plan.
No it’s not. It should have been the plan for 2023. Ukraine should have used 2023 building up its forces in 2023 and bleeding the Russians.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:50 pm to WeeWee
His name is Gonzalo Lira!
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:55 pm to Bunk Moreland
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This thread is an incredible study on which internet and media sources to trust. God bless NCTigah for having the patience to educate people.
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I'm hammered so not sure
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:56 pm to No Colors
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But the economies of the US, Britain, and the EU are like 25x that of Russia.
All of these economies are failing right now while Russia's is gaining traction.
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Cite your sources
Go to the grocery store.
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Or shut the frick up
On the street I would tell you to make me. Then, I'd watch as your broke limp dick arse withered back into whatever corner you came from.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:58 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The Russians have deeper reserves of manpower and equipment, and out produce the west.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 12:04 am to WeeWee
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Nope it came from my buddy’s brother who works for Ukrainian intelligence.
Jesus Tap Dancing Christ the amount of LARP in one thread. This is like GOP_IMBECILE being personal friends with Mike Johnson and knowing he would NEVER dare take Putin's side and would definitely fund more to Ukraine!
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 12:05 am
Posted on 12/10/23 at 12:14 am to Lima Whiskey
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The Russians have deeper reserves of manpower and equipment, and out produce the west.
They are in ethnic collapse and can barely afford the crap that works like it was bought on Temu
Posted on 12/10/23 at 12:15 am to jmarto1
What makes you think Ukraine is winning?
And what makes you think they will eventually win?
I'll hang up and listen.
And what makes you think they will eventually win?
I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 12:46 am to Auburn1968
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Russia's economy is about the size of NY State's. That compared to the EU and America is no juggernaut. The only reason they are a power at all these days is their nuclear arsenal.
GDP comparisons are irrelevant and misleading here. They can turn out somewhere around 1200 MBTs a year, we can produce 180 rebuilt tanks a year, and the Germans can produce around 120, a mix of new and rebuilt ones. No other Western states have a MBT in production.
Every major weapon system the Russians use is in serial production, that’s not true of the Western weapons we’re sending. And if it is in production, the production figures are very low.
We could change this, but on five year timelines. And this would mean building new factories and assembly lines.
Aircraft manufacturing is the one bright spot. And the exception to this.
*75% of our GDP is provided by services
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 1:15 am
Posted on 12/10/23 at 1:58 am to Errerrerrwere
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All of these economies are failing right now while Russia's is gaining traction.
About as much traction as a 1000hp RWD car with M/T slicks going around an icy corner.
How long did your zhena have to wait in line for eggs this morning comrade?
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:03 am to Obtuse1
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
10 December 2023
On the night of 7 December 2023, the Russian Air Force conducted a major wave of strikes towards Kyiv and central Ukraine using its heavy bomber fleet, for the first time since 21 September 2023.
These aircraft, highly likely Tu-95 BEAR H, likely launched at least 16 air-launched cruise missiles (ALCMs) from their typical operating area over the Caspian Sea. The missiles were highly likely AS-23a KODIAK, Russia's premier ALCM. Russia has almost certainly been stockpiling these missiles for use in the winter campaign.
This was probably the start of a more concerted campaign by Russia aimed at degrading Ukraine's energy infrastructure. However, initial reports indicate the majority of these missiles were successfully intercepted by Ukrainian air defence. Despite at least one civilian reported killed, the damage currently appears to have been minimal.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
10 December 2023
On the night of 7 December 2023, the Russian Air Force conducted a major wave of strikes towards Kyiv and central Ukraine using its heavy bomber fleet, for the first time since 21 September 2023.
These aircraft, highly likely Tu-95 BEAR H, likely launched at least 16 air-launched cruise missiles (ALCMs) from their typical operating area over the Caspian Sea. The missiles were highly likely AS-23a KODIAK, Russia's premier ALCM. Russia has almost certainly been stockpiling these missiles for use in the winter campaign.
This was probably the start of a more concerted campaign by Russia aimed at degrading Ukraine's energy infrastructure. However, initial reports indicate the majority of these missiles were successfully intercepted by Ukrainian air defence. Despite at least one civilian reported killed, the damage currently appears to have been minimal.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:22 am to Errerrerrwere
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Cite your sources
Go to the grocery store.
have you ever been to a grocery store in Russia? The largest land mass country in the world and most of their food is imported. They make zero computer chips. They make zero tons of high tensile steel. They import most of their machinery, automobiles, airplanes, poultry, beef, fruits and vegetables, medicine, medical machinery.
You're either an idiot or a troll farm bot.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:24 am to BigAppleTiger
quote:You should be wary trekking that path. Russia was docile under the "MAGA" Administration. You may not recall that, but you should.
This thread is an incredible study in the growing symbiosis of the MAGA Republican party and Putin regime.
Truth be told regarding your premise, "this thread is an incredible study in" groupthink, and in the ability of nonsensical crowd cacophony to strangle intelligent dialogue.
So the O-T voice yammers on. Ukraine is just one SpringSummerAutumnWinter offensive from turning this whole catastrophe around, and ridding their lands of invading Russian hoardes. The theme repeats over and over again in posts here. Each is cheered as if there is even a modicum of truth in the claim.
It's an emperor who has no clothes. Yet because some claim otherwise, the entire thread cheers the emperor's intricate golden outfits. They are beautiful. Wonderful! The finest workmanship! ... and all here chip in to agree and praise the impressions.
So now we have a war on the outskirts of Ukraine's eastern oblasts. It is a war Ukraine cannot win. That fact is neither fair, nor anti-Ukraine, nor pro-Putin. It is simply the stubborn truth. The Russians largely decided a year ago they've taken what they will, and have entrenched. The human sacrifice requisite in uprooting them without air superiority calls to memory WWI battlefields and results.
Yet, that horror is what the droning bloodthirsty crowdspeak here seems to root for. Anyone calling O-T groupthink to question, or pointing out the futility of further war, is slammed as antipatriotic, or pro-Putin. Yet, futality and mass fatality is the future of combat on that front.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 5:29 am
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:34 am to Auburn1968
quote:Ah, the Yeltsin dream. Alas we chose to expand cold war politics instead of allying with a democratic Russia.
The sad thing is that had Russia simply concentrated on developing business and trade
The result?
Putin!
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Yes ... It is a sad thing indeed.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:38 am to NC_Tigah
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So the O-T voice yammers on. Ukraine is just one SpringSummerAutumnWinter offensive from turning this whole catastrophe around, and ridding their lands of invading Russian hoardes. The theme repeats over and over again in posts here. Each is cheered as if there is even a modicum of truth in the claim.
Putin lover!
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:06 am to Lima Whiskey
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The Russians have deeper reserves of manpower and equipment, and out produce the west
Just to be blunt how did this work out for the USSR and the US in Afghanistan?
ETA: don't get me wrong, this is a huge "pro" for Russia, but it doesn't always mean that that side wins. I forget where I heard it, but National Pride is a resource that can be used up, dried out and takes time to refill. It's why the countries that on paper could win a war eventually fail. It's why the US withdrew from Afghanistan. It's why the USSR withdrew from Afghanistan. It's why the US also withdrew from Vietnam.
It's what the Western sanctions are actually trying to exacerbate in order to speed up the use of that resource. Debatable if it's working (or even had the reverse effect) at all as 75% of Russians still support the war (granted only around 26% being actively supporting the rest just passively), but that is one of the main intentions of the sanctions aside from crippling the military production
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 6:28 am
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:15 am to NC_Tigah
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Ukraine is just one SpringSummerAutumnWinter offensive from turning this whole catastrophe around
And yet most everyone here says the war is a stalemate and that Ukraine would need additional aid to actually mount a counteroffensive hmmmm
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So now we have a war on the outskirts of Ukraine's eastern oblasts. It is a war Ukraine cannot win. That fact is neither fair, nor anti-Ukraine, nor pro-Putin. It is simply the stubborn truth. The Russians largely decided a year ago they've taken what they will, and have entrenched. The human sacrifice requisite in uprooting them without air superiority calls to memory WWI battlefields and results.
Yet, that horror is what the droning bloodthirsty crowdspeak here seems to root for. Anyone calling O-T groupthink to question, or pointing out the futility of further war, is slammed as antipatriotic, or pro-Putin. Yet, futality and mass fatality is the future of combat on that front.
OK. Let's just take this at face value. What is your solution that will actually stop this war and not just delay another war and is something both parties would accept?
ETA: Fixed quote
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 6:24 am
Posted on 12/10/23 at 7:15 am to StormyMcMan
Both Russia and Ukraine had severe demographic issues, with aging populations, before 2022.
Putin has avoided actual mobilization of the Slavic regions of Russia. Should he have to resort to this resource of manpower, unrest will happen in Russia.
Foreign volunteers have been a big help to Ukraine. Russia seems to have had little help in manpower from abroad.
Putin has avoided actual mobilization of the Slavic regions of Russia. Should he have to resort to this resource of manpower, unrest will happen in Russia.
Foreign volunteers have been a big help to Ukraine. Russia seems to have had little help in manpower from abroad.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 7:29 am to CitizenK
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Russia seems to have had little help in manpower from abroad.
Depends on how you define help in this case. They definitely get help in terms of filling the workforce from the local Stans. Also some sourced rumors that they are coercing them to enlist
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