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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:57 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:57 pm to StormyMcMan
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This was mainly due to an increased interest rate and currency control on its companies to buy rubles with their dollars
It'll take a while to write it all out, but Russia is struggling economically.
They have 15% interest rates, they're using up their foreign reserves to float their currency and they still face large-scale domestic inflation.
I can end it there without getting into worker shortages, diesel shortages, material shortages, women being conscripted into civilian military aparatus, teenagers being conscripted into factories, etc etc etc.
Even Russia's pie-in-the-sky numbers look bleak when you really dig into them.
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 4:00 pm to NC_Tigah
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and perhaps gain agreement not to pursue EU membership, in addition to dropping NATO aspirations.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 4:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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Obviously, "Ukrainian capitulation" is a pipedream. It is not happening. That ship sailed when Ukraine crushed the Russians outside of Kyiv. But as a negotiating tactic, the Russian demand makes sense. In negotiations, demand things you neither need nor want in order to gain (or overgain) your true objectives. Start with "capitulation" and perhaps gain agreement not to pursue EU membership, in addition to dropping NATO aspirations.
They would make sense if that was Russia’s initial proposal presented at peace talks. However, the fact that you fail to grasp is that those are Russia’s demands to agree to peace talks. They are not an opening position or initial peace proposal from which they will negotiate. Russia is wanting Ukraine to completely surrender before Russia will come to the table begin and begin peace talks. That is absurd because as you pointed out Ukraine drove them away from Kyiv and have fought them to a standstill but have not been defeated. Why should Ukraine surrender when they have not been defeated? Also Russia’s peace proposal from last year is outdated because Ukraine has liberated a little over 50% of the territory that would have been turned over to Russia last year? Why should Ukraine give up an inch of their internationally recognized territory to Russia when Russia couldn’t stop them from taking it back?
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 5:09 pm to WeeWee
Essential comment by General Breedlove, former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR):
Twitter transcript
same remarks,
Youtube
Twitter transcript
same remarks,
Youtube
Posted on 12/11/23 at 5:28 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:The intellectuality of your response is "impressive." I'm happy you amused yourself.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 5:39 pm to WeeWee
quote:WeeWee, either you are trying too hard, or I've overestimated you. I hope it's the former, because I do hate overestimating.
the fact that you fail to grasp
quote:It was a Fiona Hill OP-Ed.
That is absurd because as you pointed out Ukraine drove them away from Kyiv and have fought them to a standstill but have not been defeated
Right?
Presumably that means something to you?
Put another way, any absurdity in her piece would fall opposite to your assumption ... i.e., she opines in the Putin-hate realm.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 5:45 pm to WeeWee
quote:In that case, Ukraine absolutely should not give up an inch of their internationally recognized territory! Not a millimeter of it.
Why should Ukraine give up an inch of their internationally recognized territory to Russia when Russia couldn’t stop them from taking it back?
Of course unfortunately, Russia can absolutely prevent Ukraine from taking its own territory back. That is not fair. It is not just. It sucks! But it is the truth.
Competent negotiations are based in truth.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:21 pm to NC_Tigah
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Why should Ukraine give up an inch of their internationally recognized territory to Russia when Russia couldn’t stop them from taking it back?
In that case, Ukraine absolutely should not give up an inch of their internationally recognized territory! Not a millimeter of it.
Of course unfortunately, Russia can absolutely prevent Ukraine from taking its own territory back. That is not fair. It is not just. It sucks! But it is the truth.
How do you know that Russia can stop Ukraine from taking its territory back is true? Just because they stopped one counterattack? That is not truth. That is appearance and appearances can change. If appearances did not change then the USA should have stopped fighting the Japanese in WW2 after the Battle of the Coral Sea because it sure appeared like the Japanese had built a defense that would stop the USA from retaking its lost territories and liberating allies. How did that war end? Oh yeah the USA won the next battle which was fought over a small piece of sand that most people could not find on a map and then went on to liberate the lost territory and defeat Japan. If appearances did not change then the American colonists should have stopped fighting after the British took NYC, Philadelphia, or Charleston. The British were unwilling to negotiate and it appeared like the British would win when Clinton was sitting comfortably in New York City and Cornwallis was marching through South Carolina and North Carolina. How did that war turn out? Oh yeah, Cornwallis was defeated at Kings Mountain and the Cowpens which forced him to return to the coast and eventually he was trapped at Yorktown and forced the surrender of his army. After that public support for the war evaporated in Britain and the British entered into negotiations which eventually ended with the USA winning its freedom.
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Competent negotiations are based in truth.
Negotiations are based in compromise and good faith. Ukraine, the USA, the EU, etc negotiated for 111 days prior to the invasion, and the entire time Russia was saying it had no plans to invade Ukraine. In addition to being untrustworthy, Russia is unwilling to compromise. So how can negotations be held if one party is unable to be trusted and unwilling to compromise?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:30 pm to WeeWee
Negotiations to some are really surrender.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:32 pm to WeeWee
quote:You're comparing the US and Japan in WWII with Russia-Ukraine? The US had >3X Japan's GDP. How do Ukraine and Russia compare?
If appearances did not change then the USA should have stopped fighting the Japanese in WW2 after the Battle of the Coral Sea
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:38 pm to NC_Tigah
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You're comparing the US and Japan in WWII with Russia-Ukraine? The US had >3X Japan's GDP. How do Ukraine and Russia compare?
I'm not comparing GDP. I am comparing the military situation in the Pacific theatre of WW2 to the Russo-Ukraine war. Try to keep up.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:42 pm to WeeWee
quote:Oh dude!
Try to keep up.
Economies win wars. In terms of "catching up," I'm not even walking fast, yet.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:51 pm to NC_Tigah
Good to know you are still walking, because you are losing at this point.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:54 pm to NC_Tigah
Just a reminder that NC tiger has no principles and isn’t nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
Random off topic, but pain control/palliative care docs should swing from a rope for the opioid crisis
Random off topic, but pain control/palliative care docs should swing from a rope for the opioid crisis
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:55 pm to NC_Tigah
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Oh dude!
Economies win wars.
Oh well in that case, Cheerio mate! Would you like to get together to watch Liverpool vs Manchester United and have a spot of tea on Sunday? After all we are British thanks to the GDP of the British Empire being so much larger than that of the American colonies.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:58 pm to Hateradedrink
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Just a reminder that NC tiger has no principles and isn’t nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
Random off topic, but pain control/palliative care docs should swing from a rope for the opioid crisis
1. Do you know what palliative care is?
2. Why are you worried about someone who is actively dying becoming addicted to opioids?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:08 pm to RuLSU
What would ukraines economy look like if we had not pumped 100 billion into it...just asking for a friend
Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:22 pm to WeeWee
In WW2 the US spent 4 trillion dollars (in today's dollars) and conquered the world, that 26,000 miles.
In Ukraine we have spent 100 billion dollars and they have lost 1000s of square miles.
That doesnt seem like a good place to keep investing money. One dollar was too much and 10 trillion wont be enough.
The funding stops the war ends....and they should have come to the table before that. When it stops now its all on cargo pants for not stepping up when he had some leverage, soon he will have none.
And how dare our congress let some shithead come in our capitol building and lecture us on how to spend our money when he is thiefing us blind. POS stepping over the dead bodies of his people to continue to milk us and some idiots on here supporting the slaughter.
In Ukraine we have spent 100 billion dollars and they have lost 1000s of square miles.
That doesnt seem like a good place to keep investing money. One dollar was too much and 10 trillion wont be enough.
The funding stops the war ends....and they should have come to the table before that. When it stops now its all on cargo pants for not stepping up when he had some leverage, soon he will have none.
And how dare our congress let some shithead come in our capitol building and lecture us on how to spend our money when he is thiefing us blind. POS stepping over the dead bodies of his people to continue to milk us and some idiots on here supporting the slaughter.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:24 pm to NC_Tigah
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Economies win wars.
Often, but it's usually a bit more complicated than this. In any case the economies of NATO members are about 10x that of Russia. After the first few weeks this has been a war that Ukraine should win, if the US/Europe have the will for that to happen.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:41 pm to WeeWee
1. I’m more than aware
2. No reason
2. No reason
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