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Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:39 am to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:39 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
08 December 2023

On 5 December 2023, a Russian Naval Aviation Su-24M FENCER D fighter bomber was highly likely shot down by a Ukrainian surface-to-air Missile (SAM) over the north-western Black Sea in the vicinity of Ukraine's Snake Island.

Since summer 2023, Russia has continued to conduct high-risk, crewed strike missions against the island. This is likely mainly for messaging reasons because the island has become a symbol of Ukrainian resistance and Russia wants to demonstrate it can project force across the Black Sea.

The two-man crew was likely lost: the location and operational conditions would make a successful Russian search and rescue mission extremely challenging. Both sides still suffer regular combat aircraft losses. Overall, air defences continue to severely limit the effectiveness of tactical air operations.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 8:11 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:03 am to
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High Russian casualties will likely prevent Russian forces from fully replenishing and reconstituting existing units in Ukraine and forming new operational and strategic reserves


The Ukrainian casualty claims haven’t been substantiated by Western obituary surveys, I’m thinking specifically of the BBC Mediazone study, and are illogical given Ukraines issues with firepower and ammunition shortages, and Russias overall defensive posture. Russia has also ordered the expansion of the ground forces by 170k. The Russians don’t appear to care very much about media, but at the same time, they wouldn’t give themselves a recruiting goal they couldn’t hit. It would be pointless in their eyes, they would find a different solution to their problem instead. To set the goal means they believe they can hit it. Long term, it gives them a second army in the west, probably in the Western Military District, which is necessary because of Finland, and in the short term, another army that could be deployed in Ukraine. This also means they believe they can equip it.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4689 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:31 am to

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"There is no more room for me on Earth"
Interview with a war criminal #Girkin from 07.12.2023. As always, very pessimistic from Girkin, he is worried that he might face the same fate as Prigozhin.

Translation:

ABOUT CRIMINAL RECORD

What is the status of your criminal case? How is it proceeding?

Now the case has been transferred to the court, it is based on the expertise. I deny the very fact of the existence of the event of the crime.

Your lawyer Alexander Molokhov has repeatedly filed complaints about violations in the case materials.

There were a lot of complaints, but what was the use? The main violation is that competent experts in the field of psycholinguistics were not involved in the case at the investigation stage. I hope they will be involved in the case at the trial. The main evidence of the investigation is the psycholinguistic expertise. I completely disagree with the charge. The expertise was made by incompetent people, it is a real "nonsense of a blue mare".

What do you think the final verdict will be?

I expect a guilty verdict and imprisonment for an indefinite period of time. In general, I see this event as a curious precedent: after the indictment I have no place left on Earth where I would be recognized as a law-abiding citizen. In the West, I am already recognized as a terrorist after the verdict of the Hague Tribunal. In my homeland, I'm probably going to be known as an extremist of dubious fame.

ABOUT ARREST AND PRE-TRIAL DETENTION

What do you do in the pre-trial detention center?

There are no neighbors in the cell. The living conditions are normal. Now I am reading about the history of the ancient world. In general, I mostly read historical literature here. I am a historian by first education. Recently, I reread "History of the Russian Troubles" by Denikin.

Were there any incidents during your arrest?

Nothing like that. There are some health problems, but everything is in accordance with my age. I don't complain about anything.

Maybe pressure from the investigation?

There's no pressure.

Do you get letters?

I don't get many letters, it's not good. I suspect the censorship is to blame. But what's interesting is this: messages come even from liberals, spewing curses and sarcasm. There are quite a few letters of support from ordinary people. Among the famous ones, I can name the writer Yeskov - who does not share my political beliefs at all. He has liberal views. He was a supporter of Navalny for a while.

ABOUT PRIGOZHIN

What's your opinion of Yevgeny Prigozhin? You had a serious conflict with him.

I didn't know him personally. I don't know if he personally visited the DNR in '14. I did not feel any joy when Prigozhin was killed, although, admittedly, there was no particular regret. I still believe that the elimination of the Cook and his associates was hardly authorized directly by the supreme acting power. The conflict began with events in 2016 in the Hisham neighborhood in Syria. Back then, U.S. aviation unanswered destroyed several hundred Russian soldiers. My former squad leader in Bosnia was seriously wounded near Hisham. I have always believed that Russian blood should be spilled exclusively for Russia, for the interests of the Russian people, and not for the corrupt dealings of Russian oligarchs and political adventurers. Therefore my attitude to Prigozhin is purely negative. I believe that for such especially grave crimes as mutiny, especially in wartime, should be punished, of course, severely. But only in a court of law. Even after the "amnesty" Prigozhin posed a huge danger to Russia at the head of his illegal PMC "Wagner". Nevertheless, no one has been held accountable for the elimination of Prigozhin. The President voiced a version of spontaneous death - I do not believe in this version.

ABOUT CONSCIENCE

When was the last time you saw Konstantin Malofeev?

I saw him in 2015. I did not ask him for help, as I did not even think about it. We disagreed a long time ago on the situation in the country and how an honest Russian patriot should act.

Apart from him, is there anyone from your entourage who can go to the top and say, "Let's not put him in jail"?

I don't know anyone from Putin's entourage, I don't have any connections that defame me in this sense, and I can't answer your question.

In 2014, you abruptly left all your posts in the DNR. In one of your interviews, you said that you were "asked" to do so, and at the same time you refused to name the person. Will you tell me now?

No, I can't say it, I'm not afraid of this person, it's just that I know how to keep military state secrets regardless of how my native state treats me. I am only afraid of my conscience.

ABOUT "SVO", RUSSIA AND THE ELECTION

Are you following the situation on the SWO?

I have a TV set, in the mornings I turn on the radio, TV channels. Once a week my spouse sends me news summaries from the front, well, and quotes TG-channels that were previously interesting. What is happening on the SVO fronts, I know without detail. As for my prediction, there will be no pact and no freeze. Although some comrades are sleeping and seeing things miraculously unravel, but western partners won't let that happen. "Young men's hopes are nourished." This war will last for a long time, and the enemy has set as its goal the gradual destruction of Russia.

What is your assessment of what is happening?

The situation has radically deteriorated, the country has entered a period of acute instability, as demonstrated by the rebellion of Prirozhin and the way his leaders were eliminated. And the frantic attempts of the authorities to demonstrate complete stability, "the air is balmy" once again emphasizes the above-mentioned. I would like to draw your attention once again to the fact that military successes in the idea of repulsing the fall and summer counteroffensive of the AFU in no way eliminate and do not counterbalance the fact that the war has passed the 21st month, there is no end in sight, especially on the horizon there is no fulfillment of the plans of the Strategic Defense Forces in any of the versions outlined, and the pathetic lamentations of officials about the readiness to negotiate with the so-called Ukraine without preconditions are an additional evidence of this.

You have decided to run in the 2024 presidential election. Why would you do that?

I am in my right mind and firm memory, I really want to participate in the presidential elections, if the opportunity presents itself, which is highly unlikely, just some miracle must happen, a black swan must emerge, so, I will certainly try to participate at least to be able to tell at least a little bit of truth about the real state of affairs in the state, what awaits us in the future, how to avoid the impending disaster. In the cell of the pre-trial detention center there are few opportunities to develop an election campaign - I have delegated authority to the people with whom we hypothetically discussed such a possibility before my arrest (Nelzin, Fedorov). I would take all measures to bring the current war to a victorious conclusion, because there will be no draw, and defeat is death-like and will lead to a national catastrophe, which in its scale will exceed by an order of magnitude the damage of the victims that have already been suffered. We have long had no other way to win a complete victory without risking collapse into turmoil. If there were other options, all of them have long been irretrievably lost by the current government.

LINK
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4689 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:19 am to
In Russia, All Policy Roads Lead to the War (WSJ)

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First, on domestic politics: My colleagues Andrei Kolesnikov and Denis Volkov have found that the war has general approval among about 75% of the population. Many Russians see the conflict as one between their country and the West, not Ukraine.

More specifically, my colleagues have found that up to 22% of the population strongly support the war and oppose cessation of hostilities. Another 53% are somewhat more passive in their support, and most of them agree with the government’s course. So if tomorrow, Putin would argue that Russia should start peace negotiations, many of these people would accept that, too.


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That data reinforces what is clear on the ground—that the war has been fully internalized by the majority of Russians, at both the popular and elite levels.

It makes sense. Unlike Ukraine, one-fifth of whose territory is occupied and which is subject to missile and drone attacks every day, most of Russia hasn’t looked like a nation at war throughout 2023—except some settlements on the border with Ukraine that witness regular shelling, and, of course, the territories occupied and annexed by Russia, including Crimea. In fact, when the Ukrainians launched attacks against government buildings in Moscow this summer, Muscovites shrugged and life continued as normal.

“The real downside is that if you live outside of the city, when wining and dining in central Moscow you need to get home by 1 a.m. to beat the drone attacks, just like you would beat the traffic,” one of my contacts said to me.

What’s more, fewer people than last year are ready to express any form of opposition. Since the full-scale invasion last year, nearly 20,000 people have been detained for antiwar actions, and some have faced Kafkaesque trials and draconian prison terms. So despite occasional acts of individual bravery, Russia hasn’t witnessed any mass antiwar protests since September 2022, when a partial mobilization was announced.

At the same time, the elites have demonstrated remarkable cohesion and the inability to challenge the Kremlin’s course. Even the failed mutiny by the infamous mercenary boss Yevgeny Prigozhin, whose improvised march on Moscow in June was soon followed by his fiery death in a plane crash, has only strengthened Putin’s grip on power.


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Just as in domestic politics, the war is becoming a mainstay of the Kremlin’s economic policy. In the 2024 budget, military spending is set at 6% of GDP for the first time since Russia’s independence in 1991, exceeding social expenditure. Around 39% of the budget will go on the war in Ukraine, including beefing up Russia’s defense industry and payments to soldiers, and domestic security.

And that isn’t all. The rest of the Kremlin’s economic policy is shaped by the war and resulting Western sanctions, including efforts to encourage import-substitution, reintroduction of capital controls, and a tolerance to high budget deficits.

War and the boom in military production has driven unemployment to historic lows of 3%. The money that families of those killed and wounded in Ukraine receive from the state is a genuine windfall for the poorer regions from which the Kremlin is predominantly drafting soldiers, and where going to fight in Ukraine has become a rational economic choice for many: the ability to earn more money—dead or alive—than they could ever make in any other legal way under Putin.

This “coffin money,” compensation for injuries, and soldiers’ salaries are driving domestic demand and being channeled to finance domestic production or purchase the Chinese imports that have replaced Western brands. As a result, the Russian economy is expected to grow by 2.8% this year, despite mounting sanctions from the West. Bypassing the sanctions has become a cottage industry, and millions are being made by creating logistical and financial schemes to circumvent Western restrictions and smuggle in goods that feed Putin’s war machine.


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Finally, war has also become a central tenet of Russia’s foreign policy. Every relationship with a foreign power is assessed from the viewpoint of whether ties to that country can directly help Russia’s war effort through the supply of military goods, by filling the Kremlin’s war chest, or helping Moscow punish the West for its support for Ukraine. This new reality gives tremendous leverage to countries that are still willing to do business with Russia, allowing them to extract hefty prices for their services to Putin’s war effort.

When in September, Azerbaijan resorted to military force to resolve the decadeslong conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, Moscow didn’t lift a finger to protect the interests of its treaty ally Armenia, mostly because Baku and President Ilham Aliyev’s patrons in Turkey have become indispensable in helping the Kremlin to withstand sanctions.

Moscow was forced to source artillery shells, drones and missiles from Iran and North Korea in exchange for large payments and sharing sensitive military technology with these pariah regimes, and to take sides in regional conflicts where Moscow had previously hedged its bets. This is why the Kremlin’s muted reaction to the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks by Hamas and ensuing full-throated criticism of Israel’s war in Gaza would once have been unimaginable, but is hardly surprising in 2023.

Nor is it any surprise that in 2023, China has finally become Russia’s single most important foreign partner. The relationship with Beijing checks all three boxes, providing the Kremlin with critical components for its war machine, keeping the Russian economy afloat, and making sure that U.S. influence is kept in check by a more assertive and military powerful China.

In 2024, when Putin is set to win a new six-year term in staged elections slated for March, he will continue his course of destroying Ukraine in the hope that he will be able to wear down the Ukrainians and their Western supporters. With war the organizing principle of Russian life, the continuation of aggression against Ukraine and the crusade against Western interests at home and abroad is becoming the raison d’être for the entire machinery of Putinism.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16096 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:47 am to
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Frankly I care more about Venezuela and Guyana. If we choose to involve ourselves in regional conflicts, it should be on a continent that shares a land mass.


Brazil already has sent troops to Guyana. The US sends troops annually to train with Guyana's army. They just left in late November
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 9:48 am
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:59 am to
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Brazil already has sent troops to Guyana. The US sends troops annually to train with Guyana's army. They just left in late November

I'd be shocked if Venezuela invades while Brazil has soliders in Guyana. Venezuela would become North Brazil pretty quickly.

... it might be the best possible outcome, really.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26821 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:19 pm to
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High Russian casualties will likely prevent Russian forces from fully replenishing and reconstituting existing units in Ukraine and forming new operational and strategic reserves if Russian force generation efforts continue at current rates while the Russian military continues operations. Russia does appear able to continue absorbing such losses and making them good with new recruits, however, as long as President Vladimir Putin is willing and able to absorb the domestic consequences.


It's one thing to raise 170k troops, but I have to wonder how long it takes to make the green recruits and conscripts into an effective force...
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4689 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:56 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced his presidential bid for 2024 on December 8 in an obviously staged effort to seem that he was running at the request of Russian servicemen.

Putin’s announcement of his presidential bid in a military setting indicates that his campaign may focus on Russia’s war in Ukraine more than ISW previously assessed, although the extent of this focus is unclear at this time.

Russian forces conducted a series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of December 7 to 8.

Imprisoned ardent nationalist and former Russian officer Igor Girkin forecasted on December 7 that there will be “no agreement” between Russia and Ukraine to end the war and ”no freeze” of the frontlines in Ukraine, marking a notable shift from Girkin’s prior claims that the Russian military intended to “freeze the frontline” until after the Russian presidential elections.

The Russian military has reportedly banned the use of civilian cars for military purposes likely as part of ongoing formalization efforts, sparking criticisms from Russian milbloggers.

The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) is expanding its ability to guard Russian officials and entities abroad likely to better surveil Russian and international actors outside of Russian territory.

Russian occupation officials continue efforts to artificially alter the demographic composition of occupied Ukraine.

Ukraine’s partners continued to announce military and financial aid packages to Ukraine recently.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, west and southwest of Donetsk City, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and made confirmed advances near Avdiivka and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

Udmurt Republic Head Alexander Brechalov announced on December 7 that the region formed and will soon deploy four new units to fight in Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated on December 8 that Russia is trying to destroy Ukrainian children’s connection to Ukraine and that swift intervention is necessary to maintain this connection during a speech at the first meeting of the International Coalition for the Return of Ukrainian Children.


Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16096 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:23 pm to
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I'd be shocked if Venezuela invades while Brazil has soliders in Guyana. Venezuela would become North Brazil pretty quickly.

... it might be the best possible outcome, really.


Columbia isn't on the best terms with Venezuela and its illegal immigrants for a decade
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4689 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:53 am to
Random tweets

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Ukraine will not be able to conduct a new offensive until 2025, analysts at The Wall Street Journal said

In their opinion, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will switch to strategic defense, while economic and military support from the USA and Europe is in question.

LINK

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Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada adopted a law on the criminalization of smuggling, –– said People's Deputy Yaroslav Zhelezniak.

The draft law is also a requirement of the European Union to provide a macro-finance of 1.5 billion euros. The document was supported by 248 people's deputies.

LINK

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QUICK THREAD on the Russian TVZvezda (MOD-affiliated) report about Project Archangel's volunteer effort and its FPV drone manufacturing and use. This video builds on the one shown a few weeks earlier. Several key points stand out

Project Archangel (PA) founder says that the Sudoplatov effort "as part of the MOD is the largest such effort that manufactures and uses FPV drones, given direct MOD involvement." He says that PA has two goals - to work with FPV developers to connect them with military units and

to train FPV pilots who signed an MOD contract. His efforts also trains those pilots already on the frontlines - "to create a system." PA builds FPV drones in 14 regions across Russia, including Moscow, with many located "near the fighting."

Mikhail, PA's founder, says "we are witnessing a very rapid development of new defense-industrial branch dealing with FPV drones." Typical FPV pilot unit "can have a significant battlefield impact that can stop any adversary advance including infantry and vehicles."

"Earlier, the adversary was moving at will - today, Ukrainian forces have trouble moving within 10km from the line of contact. Panic (among the Ukrainian forces) is a positive development that stifles its movements."

"We also have young women who are fighting (as FPV pilots) for a year and a half - they have great endurance and exhibit no emotions when flyting (FPV) drones. Its better if they are younger than 30 and have computer gaming experience."

"Experience plays a role - an FPV pilot with a four week experience can strike up to 30 different targets a month - this experience is gained very quickly. Targets include weapons, infantry, comms and sensors. Decision to strike is made at the local commander's level."

"We are forming entire units (companies) of engineers and instructors that can quickly react to any changes at the front, including pilot feedback. FPV units are formed everywhere, but slowly, since the military is a huge organization, but improvements are everywhere."

He was asked by a journalist if Project Archangel and its volunteer developers are working on other tech - "Yes, EW and radio recon, other useful technologies are sourced and tested in the Moscow region. Then we test such tech at ranges near Ukraine combat, and

then they go into actual combat. If its works, we recommend such systems/weapons for mass production. Earlier, these we all disparate efforts - developers, engineers, volunteers, funders - now there is a system."

Towards the end, there is a short video from the Russian MOD's FPV Training School run under the Sudoplatov effort - "each month we train 45 pilots." 10 other MOD-run training centers that prepared almost 1600 pilots are located in the Russian-controlled Ukraine regions.

LINK
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
66118 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 8:02 am to
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This characterization of Austin’s remarks is 100 percent not true, acc to two sources who were in the briefings. Austin warned that it is not hyperbole to say Putin won’t stop at Ukraine. If he enters NATO territory US troops could be called to fight; cheaper to fund Ukraine now.


This "added context" doesn't change anything about his remarks. At all.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5722 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 9:29 am to
Latest russian TV youtube translation by Julia Davis...

Apti Alaudinov says Russia's invasion of Ukraine is just the beginning
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42747 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 10:11 am to
So now the reason for attacking Ukraine is not NATO, it’s not the Nazis, it’s not bio labs, but it’s satanism.
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 10:12 am
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
75208 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 10:32 am to
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Frankly I care more about Venezuela and Guyana. If we choose to involve ourselves in regional conflicts, it should be on a continent that shares a land mass.
You need to take Mississippi’s name out your mouth.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26821 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 10:46 am to
Not surprisingly, there is a lot going on in terms of drones that kill other drones. Drone fur-balls coming soon.


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Anduril Industries, the military tech company founded by Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, has unveiled a new kind of attack drone.

Anduril demonstrated the drone, which is capable of locking onto other drones and then knocking them out of the air to Bloomberg and NBC news. The drone seeks out target drones, identifies them, and then asks an operator's permission to attack.

Anduril cofounder and CEO Brian Schimpf said the Interceptor weighs roughly the same amount as a bowling ball, and can go 90 to 100 mph.


https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-tactical/new-attack-drone-anduril-industries/
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26821 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 10:49 am to
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As I suspected, context is everything


Hate it when anyone twists and distorts what it reported. The MSM pack of mediots does it all the time, but I don't respect it anymore when someone closer to the conservative side does it.

Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 10:54 am to
the only people who are taking his comments as some kind of tacit threat or blackmail are mouth breathers who still think Putin is some kind of white hat
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8657 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:26 am to
I’m absolutely stunned. Speechless. North Korean artillery shells are pieces of shite. How is this possible with such a forward thinking, technology leading country like North Korea and chairman YumYum?

LINK
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139678 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 2:38 pm to
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Austin warned that it is not hyperbole to say Putin won’t stop at Ukraine.
Austin is an imbecile. You do realize that right?
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13499 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 2:58 pm to
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Austin is an imbecile. You do realize that right?


High School valedictorian, West Point, top 10% of his class, four star General, three masters degrees, a PhD, SecDef, devout catholic.

He's an imbecile. But you're some kind of accomplished mental giant?
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