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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:20 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:20 am to NC_Tigah
The war didn’t begin when Biden took office.
It started when Putin couldn’t accept the removal of his puppet as president. He saw he was losing influence in Ukraine , and he made the decision to invade Ukraine then.
Learn from history , all of history.
It started when Putin couldn’t accept the removal of his puppet as president. He saw he was losing influence in Ukraine , and he made the decision to invade Ukraine then.
Learn from history , all of history.
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:17 am to doubleb
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Biden at the White House warned of dire consequences for Kyiv – and a “gift” to Russia’s Vladimir Putin – if Congress fails to pass a $110 billion package of wartime funding for Ukraine and Israel as well as other national security priorities. Hours later, Senate Republicans defiantly voted to stop the package from advancing, something that they had threatened to do all week.
“They’re willing to literally kneecap Ukraine on the battlefield and damage our national security in the process,” Biden said.
But even as he lashed Republicans for their stance, Biden stressed that he is willing to “make significant compromises on the border,” if that's what it takes to get the package through Congress.
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If you're betting, the odds still favor a deal getting done.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:27 am to GOP_Tiger
$110,000,000,000.00
That is 2 years of the entire state of Louisiana budget.
shite ya'll could probably get your BR loop if we had that money here.
That is 2 years of the entire state of Louisiana budget.
shite ya'll could probably get your BR loop if we had that money here.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:30 am to Pfft
Wait 'til you see the full defense budget.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:40 am to doubleb
quote:By "his puppet," you mean the democratically elected (in an internationally overseen/verified election) President of Ukraine who was overthrown in a western backed coup d'etat?
It started when Putin couldn’t accept the removal of his puppet as president.
Learn from history , all of history.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:12 am to NC_Tigah
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...(in an internationally overseen/verified election)..
Oh... You mean "internationally" as in similar to the UN workers in GAZA that were holding hostages taken by HAMAS...
I truly hope you are not taking what you said seriously...
Posted on 12/7/23 at 10:18 am to klrstix
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UN workers in GAZA that were holding hostages taken by HAMAS...
Wut
Posted on 12/7/23 at 11:11 am to klrstix
quote:No. You really should make an effort to read rather than guess.
Oh... You mean "internationally" as in similar to the UN workers in GAZA that were holding hostages taken by HAMAS...
OSCE, PACE, EU member states, etc sent over 3000 observers. They labeled the 2010 election both transparent and honest.
That is what I mean.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:07 pm to NC_Tigah
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western backed coup d'etat?
This meaningless statement leaves the wildest imaginations free to assume that the CIA personally ran Yanukovych out of town on a rail. Be precise, what are you alleging that the US did? Made phone calls of support or directly intervened in the legislative ouster of the president or more? There’s too much fluff in this thread and not enough substance.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:17 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
By "his puppet," you mean the democratically elected (in an internationally overseen/verified election) President of Ukraine who was overthrown in a western backed coup d'etat?
Learn from history , all of history.
Who was voted out by over 2/3s of their Parliament. Seems democratic to me, isn’t that how we remove presidents?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:20 pm to Athanatos
Random tweets or xs
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Trade unions of four EU countries have called for a boycott of Polish carriers who have set up a transport blockade on the Polish-Ukrainian border.
We are talking about Belgium, Austria, the Netherlands and Italy.
Union representatives noted that after the russian federation began the blockade of Ukrainian seaports, only road transport remained at Ukraine's disposal for importing or exporting goods from the country.
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U.S. Southern Command announced the beginning of Air Exercises in Guyana’s Airspace today in conjunction with the Guyana Defense Force in order to Strengthen Regional Cooperation; this Exercise comes following Venezuela’s claim to Annex over 70% of Guyana Territory and the Mysterious Crash of a Bell 412 Transport Helicopter with the Guyana Air Force yesterday in the “Disputed” Region.
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Production of 155-caliber shells in #Ukraine will begin no sooner than in two years, - head of the Ministry of Stratosphere Kamyshyn
"There are long-term solutions, but very important for us. We have agreements with two American leading companies on joint production of 155 caliber ammunition in Ukraine. The implementation of these projects will take years," he said.
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??Germany is to provide €41.2 million to Ukraine to provide housing for internally displaced persons.
This was announced by Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine Iryna Vereshchuk.
According to her, the additional grant funds will extend access to preferential housing loans for IDPs in Ukraine.
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???????????????? The prediction that a new war is coming in the Transcaucasus is confirmed by the Azerbaijani president's recent threats against Armenia, as well as accusations against Indian and French authorities.
In his speech, he said Azerbaijan would retaliate if some mysterious "serious weapons" were supplied to Armenia by France and India.
We have repeatedly noted the role of France in this confrontation. Deliveries of French arms do not play a role in terms of the combat capability of the Armenian Armed Forces. It only creates a false impression of this. The same can be said about the contracts with India.
And the wording "serious weapons" is very subjective. It all depends on what the Azerbaijan consider serious. If old APCs can hardly be called serious, then the appearance of long-range Indian ATAGS howitzers or French CAESARs can already be put under this category.
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:36 pm to StormyMcMan
Putin’s Pals Think the GOP Just Won Them the War in Ukraine
Julia Davis
Updated Dec. 07, 2023 11:46AM EST
Republicans voted to block a $110.5 billion emergency spending bill to aid Ukraine and Israel Wednesday night, sparking celebrations in Moscow where they believe the U.S. will withdraw support for Kyiv allowing them to win the war.
A classified briefing with administration officials reportedly devolved into a meltdown on Tuesday afternoon, making it clear that the measure would fail. “We are about to abandon Ukraine,” Senator Christopher S. Murphy told the press as he left the briefing. “When Vladimir Putin marches into a NATO country, they will rue the day they decided to play politics with the future of Ukraine’s security.”
These developments prompted jubilation in Moscow. During Wednesday’s broadcast of a state TV program 60 Minutes, Evgeny Popov said Ukraine was now in “agony” and it was “difficult to imagine a bigger humiliation.”
During his morning show Full Contact on Wednesday, top pro-Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov joyfully noted: “[Janet] Yellen screamed, “Don’t you dare!” [Joe] Biden screamed, “Don’t you dare!” but Republicans said, “Go to hell! We won’t give your khokhols [slur for “Ukrainians”] any money.” The segment was entitled, “No one needs Ukraine anymore—especially the United States.”
Appearing on his program, America analyst Dmitry Drobnitsky noted, “The downfall of Ukraine means the downfall of Biden! Two birds with one stone!”
During his appearance on 60 Minutes, Dmitry Abzalov, president of the Center for Strategic Communications, predicted that the fiasco with the funding for Ukraine will spell the political demise of Biden. Host Olga Skabeeva added, “We’ll have no pity for him! To the contrary, we’re ready to hammer those final nails right in!” With a happy grin, Skabeeva said, “Well done, Republicans! They’re standing firm! That’s good for us.”
Roman Golovanov, the host of Golovanov’s Time on Vladimir Solovyov’s channel Solovyov Live, pointed out, “This will be a great revelation to other countries. It is even more dangerous to be a friend of the United States than its enemy. In the end, they will abandon you, leaving nothing but the scorched earth on your territory.”
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Julia Davis
Updated Dec. 07, 2023 11:46AM EST
Republicans voted to block a $110.5 billion emergency spending bill to aid Ukraine and Israel Wednesday night, sparking celebrations in Moscow where they believe the U.S. will withdraw support for Kyiv allowing them to win the war.
A classified briefing with administration officials reportedly devolved into a meltdown on Tuesday afternoon, making it clear that the measure would fail. “We are about to abandon Ukraine,” Senator Christopher S. Murphy told the press as he left the briefing. “When Vladimir Putin marches into a NATO country, they will rue the day they decided to play politics with the future of Ukraine’s security.”
These developments prompted jubilation in Moscow. During Wednesday’s broadcast of a state TV program 60 Minutes, Evgeny Popov said Ukraine was now in “agony” and it was “difficult to imagine a bigger humiliation.”
During his morning show Full Contact on Wednesday, top pro-Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov joyfully noted: “[Janet] Yellen screamed, “Don’t you dare!” [Joe] Biden screamed, “Don’t you dare!” but Republicans said, “Go to hell! We won’t give your khokhols [slur for “Ukrainians”] any money.” The segment was entitled, “No one needs Ukraine anymore—especially the United States.”
Appearing on his program, America analyst Dmitry Drobnitsky noted, “The downfall of Ukraine means the downfall of Biden! Two birds with one stone!”
During his appearance on 60 Minutes, Dmitry Abzalov, president of the Center for Strategic Communications, predicted that the fiasco with the funding for Ukraine will spell the political demise of Biden. Host Olga Skabeeva added, “We’ll have no pity for him! To the contrary, we’re ready to hammer those final nails right in!” With a happy grin, Skabeeva said, “Well done, Republicans! They’re standing firm! That’s good for us.”
Roman Golovanov, the host of Golovanov’s Time on Vladimir Solovyov’s channel Solovyov Live, pointed out, “This will be a great revelation to other countries. It is even more dangerous to be a friend of the United States than its enemy. In the end, they will abandon you, leaving nothing but the scorched earth on your territory.”
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:49 pm to doubleb
quote:He was unconstitutionally removed. That is not opinion. That is fact. So, no, that is not how we remove Presidents.
Who was voted out by over 2/3s of their Parliament. Seems democratic to me, isn’t that how we remove presidents?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:05 pm to NC_Tigah
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He was unconstitutionally removed. That is not opinion. That is fact. So, no, that is not how we remove Presidents.
I read that they voted to change constitutions. Then they voted to remove the Russian stooge. Ukrainian courts blessed the mess and that’s it.
I’m sure Russia didn’t like it, but most Ukrainians did.
And yes in the US we remove presidents by having the legislative branch remove one. No not exactly the same way, but getting over a 2/3 vote of the people’s representatives to change presidents seems to be very democratic.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:25 pm to doubleb
quote:Goodness, you're eaten up.
I’m sure Russia didn’t like it, but most Ukrainians did.
Here is about the most anti-Yanukovych source I could come up with.
i.e., he's nearly as eaten up as you.
Yanukovych’s removal was unconstitutional.
Facts are stubborn things.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:27 pm to doubleb
quote:We remove presidents unconstitutionally? Really? Detail that claim.
And yes in the US we remove presidents ...
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:38 pm to NC_Tigah
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We remove presidents unconstitutionally? Really? Detail that claim.
You aren’t making sense. Detail what claim? The fact that our legislative branch can remove a president?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:44 pm to doubleb
quote:Yanukovych was removed unconstitutionally.
Detail what claim?
You said we do the same.
We remove presidents unconstitutionally? THAT WAS YOUR CLAIM.
GOT IT?
Detail how that works.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:55 pm to NC_Tigah
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Yanukovych was removed unconstitutionally
You said was fact, I disagree it’s a fact.
quote]You said we do the same. [/quote
I said our legislative branch can remove a president. They can.
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We remove presidents unconstitutionally? THAT WAS YOUR CLAIM. GOT IT?
Anyone reading over a third grade level knows I didn’t say that, but you knew that already.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 5:00 pm to doubleb
quote:Anyone reading over a third grade level knows Viktor Yanukovych was removed unconstitutionally, which of course does not speak well to your reading level.
Anyone reading over a third grade level knows I didn’t say that, but you knew that already.
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