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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/11/23 at 3:54 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 11/11/23 at 3:54 pm to WeeWee
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If the war is over why is Russia still fighting and trying to capture Advidka and defend against the Ukrainians in the Kherson and Zap oblasts? When wars are over the fighting stops
I know it's still real to you dammit; but shortly you will get no more funding, peace negotiations will begin, Russia will keep everything they currently claim, and Zelensky will be dead.
All for half a million dead, a decimated country and a cost of 200 B.
And you guys will just call it a stalemate or claim victory that you made Russia weaker (the last part will be your out. A moral victory is what you will claim for your stupidity over the last few years. Your cognitive dissonance won't allow you to come to the realization that you were lied to.)
1) stale mate!
2) We weakened Russia!
3) VICTORY!
Book it!
This post was edited on 11/11/23 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 11/11/23 at 4:00 pm to Trevaylin
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Compare with Israel methodical march through northern Gaza .
You have to be stupid to try and compare the two. Israel is facing an enemy with no artillery, no armored vehicles, no air force, no navy, in an urban environment where the streets are paved and its in a desert with no mud. Ukraine and Russia are fighting mostly in rural areas and the ground is still as soggy as a freshly drained crawfish pond. Ukraine and Russia both have artillery, armored vehicles, and air forces.
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Yes it is a smaller theatre but they demonstrate a strategy
Ukraine has a strategy. Use small groups to slowly and gradually and clear a path through the most heavily mined and fortified area in the world right now while taking out as much infrastructure in the rear as possible and limiting Russia's ability to resupply its soldiers at the front or reinforce them if/when Ukraine makes its way through the Russian defenses. Russia has a strategy of throwing massive amounts of soldiers at the enemy to over run their position.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 4:21 pm to Errerrerrwere
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All for half a million dead, a decimated country and a cost of 200 B.
Who caused all that? The country that initiated it, or the country that fought back?
Posted on 11/11/23 at 4:23 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Russia will keep everything they currently claim, and Zelensky will be dead.
Do you think the families of the Russian people will accept gaining the Donbas in exchange for the destroying the Russian economy and 300,000+ dead Russian soldiers? The Russian people support Putin and the war because they believed that Ukraine under Zelensky and Petroshenko before him are a threat to Russia and Ukraine needs to be denazified and demilitarized. If Russia agrees to peace with Ukraine with Zelensky or Petroshenko or any Ukrainian president that is not a Russian puppet (and how can Russia hope to elect a pro-Russian president in Ukraine without the Donbas and Crimea participating in the election?) then Russia will have failed its attempt to denazify Ukraine. Russia will also have failed in its attempt to demilitarize Ukraine because even Putin and his strongest supporters as well the average Russian citizen on the street do not deny that the Ukrainian military is stronger now than it was on and what Russia thought it was on 02/22/23. If Russia makes peace it will admitting that it could not accomplish its main goals of denazifying and demilitarizing Ukraine. If Russia makes peace now and just keeps what it currently it will be Putin who will have to flee his country or be killed by his own people not Zelensky. If you really believe the bullshite that you type then you know nothing of the Russian people or the Ukrainian people.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 4:28 pm to WeeWee
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The amount of funding that Ukraine gets will depend on how much the dems give in and agree to border security etc.
Border security should be a democratic priority also, assuming they want to win seats in the next election.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 4:49 pm to TBoy
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The amount of funding that Ukraine gets will depend on how much the dems give in and agree to border security etc.
Border security should be a democratic priority also, assuming they want to win seats in the next election.
According to my cousin on Scalise's staff the "moderate dems" (which I do not believe exist anymore) have come to that conclusion as well. However, the immigration activists and some of the big sources of money have not reached that conclusions. The "moderate dems" have reached out to the GOP and said that they will agree to border security in exchange for continuing to aid Ukraine. Enough republicans and democrats have agreed to that deal for it to pass easily. However, they have to go through the political grandstanding process. The right wants a government shutdown and the left wants to put up a fight on border security. My cousin said that the consensus among the staffers of the republican and democratic leadership is that there will almost be a shutdown or possible a short one and then a deal will be made in December well before the aid to Ukraine ever stops flowing.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 4:58 pm to WeeWee
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I have 2 uncles who were Kappa Sigs with Mike Johnson when they were at LSU and they are still friends to this day (Mike Johnson personally returned their calls when they called to congratulate him). They said that you can believe him when he says something. So Ukraine is the next order of business after they finish up the Israel funding. I also have a younger cousin who is on Steve Scalise's staff. She says that it is not a matter of if Ukraine will get more funding but a matter of how much. The amount of funding that Ukraine gets will depend on how much the dems give in and agree to border security etc. She says there is more than enough republican support for it to pass easily when it comes to the floor for a vote.
Only total idiots think that that the US is going to abandon Ukraine. WeeWee, I also knew Mike extremely well 20 years ago, back when I was the political pro trying to get him involved in GOP politics. I never knew Scalise particularly well, but I was close friends with some of his close friends.
Both Mike Johnson and Steve Scalise are actual conservatives. Neither is part of the "Putin First" clown coalition.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 5:01 pm to WeeWee
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a deal will be made in December well before the aid to Ukraine ever stops flowing.
There's currently still $4.5 billion left in Presidential Drawdown Authority.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 5:32 pm to Errerrerrwere
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All for half a million dead, a decimated country and a cost of 200 B.
Do I really need to refer you back to prior posts that show these numbers aren't even close to correct?
Posted on 11/11/23 at 5:41 pm to GOP_Tiger
Not sure that I buy any of this, but here it is anyway. There have been at least a dozen twists and turns to this story.
From the Washington Post ( gift link to article).
Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeline attack
From the Washington Post ( gift link to article).
Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeline attack
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A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’s intelligence services played a central role in the bombing of the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines last year, according to officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation.
The officer’s role provides the most direct evidence to date tying Ukraine’s military and security leadership to a controversial act of sabotage that has spawned multiple criminal investigations and that U.S. and Western officials have called a dangerous attack on Europe’s energy infrastructure.
Roman Chervinsky, a decorated 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukraine’s special operations forces, was the “coordinator” of the Nord Stream operation, people familiar with his role said, managing logistics and support for a six-person team that rented a sailboat under false identities and used deep-sea diving equipment to place explosive charges on the gas pipelines. On Sept. 26, 2022, three explosions caused massive leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, which run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea. The attack left only one of the four gas links in the network intact as winter approached.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 5:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeline attack
The Nordstream thing has been perhaps the least consequential headline grabbing event of this entire war. The pipeline wasn’t being used, and wasn’t going to be used. No one has missed it and its damage hasn’t actually harmed anyone.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 7:13 pm to TBoy
ISW Update
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Russian forces launched a large-scale missile and drone strike series against Ukraine on the night of November 10 to 11, targeting Kyiv Oblast for the first time in 52 days. Ukrainian military sources reported on November 11 that Russian forces launched 31 Shahed 131/136 drones, two Kh-59 missiles, one Kh-31 missile, one P-800 Onyx anti-ship missile, and an S-300 missile against various targets in Ukraine, and specifically targeted Kyiv Oblast with either an Iskander-M or an S-400 missile.[1] Ukrainian air defenses downed 19 Shaheds (primarily targeting front line areas), one Kh-59 missile, and used a Patriot air defense system to destroy the ballistic missile targeting Kyiv Oblast
Ukraine’s Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) was reportedly involved in at least one of three strikes on Russian territory on November 10-11. Ukrainian outlet Suspilne Crimea reported that sources in the GUR stated that the GUR orchestrated an explosion of railway tracks in Ryazan Oblast that caused 19 railroad cars of a freight train to derail on the morning of November 11.[5] The GUR source stated that the explosion will complicate Russian military logistics for the near future. A prominent Russian milblogger claimed that the train was carrying mineral fertilizer.[6] Moscow Railways stated that the situation did not affect passenger and commuter trains and that Russian Railways created a headquarters to coordinate any disruptions caused by the derailment.[7] Russian state news outlet RIA Novosti stated that the derailment was due to an “intervention of unauthorized persons.”
Continued Russian milblogger discussion of widespread Russian infantry-led frontal assaults highlights the challenges Russia will face in using massed infantry assaults to offset the problems contributing to the current positional warfare identified by Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi. One milblogger emphasized on November 11 that the Russian practice of conducting tactical assaults intended to storm Ukrainian fortified positions in forest areas of Donbas will not translate into a wider operational breakthrough anywhere on the front.[18] The milblogger noted that there is no way to train enough Russian personnel for the intensive frontal assaults required for significant advances in Ukraine.[19] Another milblogger claimed that the Russian military is about to experience a "real renaissance of infantry combat" because there are fewer tanks, infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), and armored personnel carriers (APCs) close to the frontline.[20] A critical milblogger responded to the "infantry renaissance" comment and remarked that the comment is a negative reflection of Russian equipment losses and poor frontline coordination that has created a reliance on assault tactics.[21] A Russian Spetsnaz-affiliated Telegram channel additionally complained that the reliance on infantry-led frontal assaults is heavily attriting all Spetsnaz elements that have deployed to Ukraine because the Russian command has reportedly been using Spetsnaz forces for frontal assaults since the beginning of the war.[22] Spetsnaz forces are not meant to conduct such infantry-led assaults like standard Russian motorized rifle infantry, and some Russian sources are clearly frustrated with the ramifications of the misapplication of such Spetsnaz elements.
ISW has previously observed that Russian forces are increasingly relying on such infantry-led frontal assaults, likely to compensate for a lack of adequately trained personnel and due to widespread equipment losses.[23] The Russian General Staff appears to be relying heavily on frontal assaults as the predominant tactic in Ukraine as an important part of the Russian solution to the problems of "military parity" laid out by Zaluzhnyi's essay on the issue of "positional warfare."
Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov appears to be increasingly sidelining his eldest son, 18-year-old Akhmat Kadyrov, in favor of his younger son Adam Kadyrov. Ramzan Kadyrov quietly indicated on November 9 that he appointed Akhmat Deputy First Minister of the Chechen Republic for Physical Culture, Sports, and Youth Policy.[25] This appointment follows Akhmat’s 18th birthday on November 8, when Ramzan Kadyrov praised Akhmat for success in his “chosen business“ as head of the Chechen “Movement of the First“ youth movement.[26] Ramzan Kadyrov’s quiet acknowledgment of Akhmat’s new position stands in contrast to the recent praise and appointments of his other children, including his appointment of his younger son, Adam, to the Chechen security service position that Ramzan Kadyrov held prior to succeeding his own father.[27] The reason for Ramzan Kadyrov’s apparent snubbing of his eldest son is unclear. Akhmat Kadyrov notably met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in early March 2023 while rumors about Ramzan Kadyrov’s declining health circulated, fueling speculation that Ramzan Kadyrov, Akhmat, and Putin may have been preparing for Akhmat to succeed his father
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Key Takeaways:
Russian forces launched a large-scale missile and drone strike series against Ukraine on the night of November 10 to 11, targeting Kyiv Oblast for the first time in 52 days.
Ukraine’s Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) was reportedly involved in at least one of three strikes on Russian territory on November 10-11.
Continued Russian milblogger discussion of widespread Russian infantry-led frontal assaults highlights the challenges Russia will face in using massed infantry assaults to offset the problems contributing to the current positional warfare identified by Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi.
Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov appears to be increasingly sidelining his eldest son, 18-year-old Akhmat Kadyrov, in favor of his younger son Adam Kadyrov.
Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, west and southwest of Donetsk City, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced near Avdiivka.
Russian authorities have reportedly launched another large-scale crypto-mobilization wave.
Russian authorities continue efforts to fill out the workforce and artificially alter the demographics of occupied Ukraine.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 7:32 pm to GOP_Tiger
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a deal will be made in December well before the aid to Ukraine ever stops flowing. There's currently still $4.5 billion left in Presidential Drawdown Authority.
Which gives the democrats and republicans plenty of time to grandstand and be useless without worrying about the money running out.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 8:01 pm to WeeWee
you have to be more stupid to have a handle like "wee wee"
Posted on 11/11/23 at 10:03 pm to Trevaylin
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you have to be more stupid to have a handle like "wee wee"
Come on man. That’s weak. You can come up with a better than that.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 11:43 pm to No Colors
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Who caused all that? The country that initiated it, or the country that fought back?
20 years of failed diplomacy.
And at the end of the day when all the smoke finally settles, is it really going to matter who started it?
You sound like a adolescent child fighting with her siblings.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 5:03 am to Errerrerrwere
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 12 November 2023
As of late October 2023, large elements of the Wagner Group private military company had likely been assimilated into the command structure of Russia's National Guard (Rosgvardiya) and resumed active recruitment. This Wagner arm under Rosgvardiya is likely led by Pavel Prigozhin, son of the late Wagner owner Yevgeny Prigozhin. Other groups of Wagner fighters have highly likely joined another Russian PMC, Redut, which according to a Radio Free Europe investigation now has 7,000 personnel in total.
On 1 November 2023, Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov stated that Wagner Group medics had joined Chechen Akhmat special forces. Previously, on 25 October 2023, Kadyrov had stated that 170 former Wagner fighters had already joined Akhmat.
The Russian state is now exercising more direct control of Wagner Group activities and former personnel following the mutiny in July 2023 and subsequent death of Wagner's leadership in August 2023.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 12 November 2023
As of late October 2023, large elements of the Wagner Group private military company had likely been assimilated into the command structure of Russia's National Guard (Rosgvardiya) and resumed active recruitment. This Wagner arm under Rosgvardiya is likely led by Pavel Prigozhin, son of the late Wagner owner Yevgeny Prigozhin. Other groups of Wagner fighters have highly likely joined another Russian PMC, Redut, which according to a Radio Free Europe investigation now has 7,000 personnel in total.
On 1 November 2023, Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov stated that Wagner Group medics had joined Chechen Akhmat special forces. Previously, on 25 October 2023, Kadyrov had stated that 170 former Wagner fighters had already joined Akhmat.
The Russian state is now exercising more direct control of Wagner Group activities and former personnel following the mutiny in July 2023 and subsequent death of Wagner's leadership in August 2023.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 7:54 am to No Colors
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Who caused all that? The country that initiated it, or the country that fought back?
The countries that initiated it: US, Russia and Ukraine
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:24 am to Northwestern tiger
this is what politards actually believe
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