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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:29 pm to Errerrerrwere
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:29 pm to Errerrerrwere
see you say things like you arent a russian sympathizer but then you also say things like
quote:which is basically what they teach russian sympathizers on day 1 of kindergarten
the American colonization in Eastern Europe
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:32 pm to WestCoastAg
It is hard but it is in their best interest so they learn to survive without handouts.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:37 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Just because I disagree with this war
We all disagree with this war. It's the one thing we actually agree on. That the war should end as soon as possible.
We disagree on how that should happen.
Most of us on here believe that the quickest way for the war to be over is for a successful counter offensive that makes Russia's position untenable, forcing a withdrawal to internationally recognized borders and the respect for international law.
You believe that the war should devolve into some sort of stalemate by which Russia gets to keep a large portion of Ukraine, including Crimea.
And two armies of 1 million men each will face each other across trenches, battling it out with drones and artillery and cruise missiles with no end in sight and hundreds of casualties every day.
We simply disagree on where this thing needs to go.
You think Ukraine giving up will lead to peace. We think it will just lead to more war.
We think Russia going home will lead to peace. You think Russia going home will lead to more war.
I'm actually not sure how you believe that. It's absurd on its face. But it's your position nonetheless.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:53 pm to No Colors
You are giving him way too much credit 
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:24 pm to No Colors
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Most of us on here believe that the quickest way for the war to be over is for a successful counter offensive that makes Russia's position untenable, forcing a withdrawal to internationally recognized borders and the respect for international law.
This is proven unsuccessful and going into the 2nd winter is no longer optimistic.
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You believe that the war should devolve into some sort of stalemate by which Russia gets to keep a large portion of Ukraine, including Crimea.
No. Just last week most in this thread were calling it a stalemate. So, Russia in possession of a big chunk of Ukraine is NOT a stalemate. Another thing we agree on.
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And two armies of 1 million men each will face each other across trenches, battling it out with drones and artillery and cruise missiles with no end in sight and hundreds of casualties every day.
It's horrifying. I don't think my tax dollars should go to funding it when our Southern border is a sieve for human trafficking, fentanyl, and illegal immigration.
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We simply disagree on where this thing needs to go.
Probably. That's okay.
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You think Ukraine giving up will lead to peace. We think it will just lead to more war.
Like the last peaceful 40 years? We are here because of failed diplomacy and foreign policy.
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We think Russia going home will lead to peace. You think Russia going home will lead to more war.
I think Russia is a lot like the US when we didn't want missiles 90 miles off the coast of Florida.
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I'm actually not sure how you believe that.
Good. Because that's not what I believe. At all. More agreement!
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But it's your position nonetheless.
But it's not like I explained earlier. But if your position is to win an argument by telling me what my positions are instead of asking; that's just lazy or you are simple uninformed. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with the latter.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:30 pm to Auburn1968
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Report: Ukraine Is Using Autonomous AI ‘Killer Drones’
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New Scientist on Friday claimed that Ukrainian attack drones guided by artificial intelligence (AI) “are now finding and attacking targets without human assistance.”
The report appears to be history’s first example of fully autonomous weapons, and, if those vehicles were occupied, the first Lethal Autonomous Weapon Systems (LAWS) or “killer robots.”
The drone in question is allegedly a new quadcopter model called the Saker Scout, an indigenously produced unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) that can be folded up and lugged around in a suitcase-sized container.
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:47 pm to Auburn1968
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I used to like Breitbart but it is no longer the same since Andrew died. Even before he died their "Washington Bureau" with its star reporter, Tony Lee, a certified Gump, kept putting out articles but they were written and handed to him by various PACs, not actually his own work. I have found out that this happens a lot for Bloggers who get a following.
They began to follow the sensationalism model of Alex Jones to get more hits and ad revenue.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:53 pm to Errerrerrwere
You're having a hard time explaining your position. Mine is simple. Russia should go home and the war would instantly be over.
What is yours? How do you see this ending peacefully? There's literally no scenario where Russia getting a big chunk of Ukraine doesn't lead to more fighting. Please explain how you see this playing out where fewer people die and less money is spent. Go right ahead.
What is yours? How do you see this ending peacefully? There's literally no scenario where Russia getting a big chunk of Ukraine doesn't lead to more fighting. Please explain how you see this playing out where fewer people die and less money is spent. Go right ahead.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 2:59 am to No Colors
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 19 October 2023
On 14 October 2023, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin declared that damage from Ukraine's July 2023 strike on the Crimean bridge had been repaired ahead of schedule. Although fully operational, use of the bridge remains restricted due to procedures enacted following the first Ukrainian attack in October 2022. Trucks and fuel supplies continue to be moved by ferry.
The Crimean bridge will remain a vital link in sustaining Russia's occupation of Crimea and its forces in southern Ukraine. However, it is now almost certainly a significant security burden requiring multi-domain protection, including the use of air defence systems and crews who would otherwise be deployed elsewhere. Russian security forces confidence in their ability to protect this large and vulnerable structure will continue to be threatened by the ingenuity of Ukraine's military and security services.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 19 October 2023
On 14 October 2023, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin declared that damage from Ukraine's July 2023 strike on the Crimean bridge had been repaired ahead of schedule. Although fully operational, use of the bridge remains restricted due to procedures enacted following the first Ukrainian attack in October 2022. Trucks and fuel supplies continue to be moved by ferry.
The Crimean bridge will remain a vital link in sustaining Russia's occupation of Crimea and its forces in southern Ukraine. However, it is now almost certainly a significant security burden requiring multi-domain protection, including the use of air defence systems and crews who would otherwise be deployed elsewhere. Russian security forces confidence in their ability to protect this large and vulnerable structure will continue to be threatened by the ingenuity of Ukraine's military and security services.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 5:57 am to No Colors
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What is yours?
We aren't the world police.
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How do you see this ending peacefully?
Get NATO off of Russian borders.
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There's literally no scenario where Russia getting a big chunk of Ukraine doesn't lead to more fighting.
The West needs to sit down with Putin and work up a peace plan. But we refuse to sit down with Putin man bad.
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explain how you see this playing out where fewer people die and less money is spent. Go right ahead.
We stop funding it and broker a peace deal would bring Zelensky to the table and end his world wide pan handling.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 6:26 am to Errerrerrwere
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We stop funding it and broker a peace deal would bring Zelensky to the table and end his world wide pan handling.
100% fallacy of butterflies and unicorns.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 7:05 am to Errerrerrwere
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Get NATO off of Russian borders.
Ukraine is not in NATO, and Belarus is not Russia... Which NATO borders do you propose pulling back?
Posted on 10/19/23 at 7:58 am to NYNolaguy1
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stale·mate /'stal?mat/ noun 1. a situation in which further action or progress by opposing or competing parties seems impossible: "the war had again reached stalemate
You are arguing issues with a fifth grader.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 8:02 am to Errerrerrwere
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I think Russia is a lot like the US when we didn't want missiles 90 miles off the coast of Florida
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Get NATO off of Russian borders
quote:not a russian sympathizer
stop funding it and broker a peace deal would bring Zelensky to the table and end his world wide pan handling.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 8:03 am to NYNolaguy1
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Belarus is not Russia.
It soon will be. It practically is now.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 8:10 am to AU86
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Belarus is not Russia.
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It soon will be. It practically is now.
Belarus is to Russia what the moon is to the earth, namely a satellite.
Posted on 10/19/23 at 8:12 am to Errerrerrwere
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It's vastly significant
is it significant?
I mean the Soviet union had 22.4m sq. KM vs 21.8m sq. km
so not talking a lot of difference territorially
the dynasty had the czar, the SU had the general secretary of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
wtf is the difference? essentially just kings/dictators
same as Putin is.
Putin is a piece of shite, trying to argue otherwise makes you a piece of shite.
if you want to argue motives...fine
want to argue money spent fine
but don't act like he isn't a bad person
and don't act like our ROI isn't high. We are spending less than 5% of the our Annual defense budget and have lost zero American lives while destroying over 50% of their capability. prolly over 60% now while weakening their position across the world stage
I have many of the same issues you do with everything as far as spending money on other countries so we are not far off. the difference is I have have been steadfast that Russia is to blame for all of this, Putin is a piece of shite and if we don't stop them there....I will take him at his word that he will try and take the Balkans tripping article 5 which will cost American lives.
This post was edited on 10/19/23 at 8:51 am
Posted on 10/19/23 at 8:32 am to WestCoastAg
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see you say things like you arent a russian sympathizer but then you also say things likequote:the American colonization in Eastern Europewhich is basically what they teach russian sympathizers on day 1 of kindergarten
Like most of the “non interventionists” on here he’s really just poor white trash who thinks Russia is some utopia bc their geriatric dictator takes staged shirtless photo ops. Russia is basically a fantasy safe space for mouthbreathers who have never actually left the country . He’s still dodging me on how he justifies Russia’s alliance with Iran because he has no response.
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