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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:50 pm to
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38223 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:50 pm to
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I knew y'all were going to take this hard...I guess proxy wars have consequences


If this is a proxy war, and it is, I’m damn proud not to be on Iran and China’s side.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 8:52 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32990 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:50 pm to
I just checked in. What are we fighting about tonight?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21022 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:55 pm to
We aren't fighting tonight; we're just all laughing at the guy who thinks that a Twitter poll contains a representative sample and is valid for the feelings of the world at large.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45691 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:56 pm to
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knew y'all were going to take this hard...I guess proxy wars have consequences.


So does sitting by and not doing something to stop a larger conflict before it starts. Just ask Neville Chamberlain about those consequences.
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:57 pm to
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Not gonna try to explain away the piss poor weapons training your Russian buddies have?

I mean, seriously. What kind of frick stick thinks putting the arse end of an RPG right up on your shoulder like an AK is a good idea?


Didn't see it. I never look at any links you post
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38722 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:01 pm to
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Didn't see it. I never look at any links you post


Awwww why? Don’t like seeing pinko fails?

Personally, I find it hilarious. But seriously, good ole Ivan being the dumb little cucumber he has always been.

WWI getting shitted on the left and right.

WWII not enough guns and ammo, send men to follow their comrade and pick up his gun once dead.

Today?

Retards that are so fricking retarded they shoulder an RPG like an AK and proceed to rip their arm out of socket, if not worse

Never change, shite bird Ivan’s. Never change.

LINK

Click it, bitch. You know you wanna laugh. Even if it does piss you off that it’s your boy Ivan.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 9:03 pm
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5989 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:02 pm to
Thank you. Responses like this keep me scrolling through the flames and trolls.

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It is interesting to note that the ramp up in production appears to have accelerated several times since initial articles back in September. Initially it was a three fold increase over 5 years, then a 6 fold increase over 5 years, and now to a 6 fold increase by next year if the Politico article is accurate. This undermines several narratives that the U.S. is not capable of ramping up military production effectively anymore.


Nobody corrects mistakes and pivots like the ole US of A.
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:09 pm to
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If this is a proxy war, and it is, I’m damn proud not to be on Iran and China’s side.



I'm on the side of not using my tax dollars to kill people who have zero impact on my life, controversial I know.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38722 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:14 pm to
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I'm on the side of not using my tax dollars to kill people who have zero impact on my life, controversial I know.


That’s fine and dandy. Tell Russia go go back to Russia and the war ends tomorrow.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21022 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:34 pm to
Also, from Gen. Ben Hodges:

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Impressive growth of Army artillery ammunition from 8K/month, our training requirements, to 25K. We have the industrial capacity. Just need the political will to invest.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29825 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:58 pm to
Did we win yet?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105472 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:40 pm to
It shows the reach and influence of Tigerdroppings that the Russians would assign a guy like Ruff Fish, whp's obviously several pay grades above the typical troll. It puts me in mind of Vladimer Posner in the eighties, who spoke flawless English and had a convivial personality. The Soviets sent him around to US talk shows, where he actually discussed issues instead of spouting talking points. He was pretty effective. I wonder if he's still around. If so, I haven't seen him weigh in on this fracas.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4689 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:00 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on at least two sectors of the front on August 7.

Russian forces and occupation administrators continue to seek to mitigate the impact of recent Ukrainian strikes on logistics nodes along key Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) connecting occupied Crimea with occupied Kherson Oblast.

Russian opposition media outlet Verstka suggested that the Russian Investigative Committee and its head, Alexander Bastrykin, are directly involved in the forced deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia and the forced placement of Ukrainian children into Russian military training programs.

China's increasing misalignment with Russia on any settlement to end the war in Ukraine was reportedly evident at the talks in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on August 5-6.

The Ukrainian delegation at the talks in Saudi Arabia presented a 10-point peace plan that reportedly included calls for global food security, nuclear safety, environmental security, humanitarian aid, and prisoner releases.

Ukrainian officials reported that Ukrainian and Russian forces conducted a prisoner-of-war (POW) exchange on August 7.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, along the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on August 7 and made advances in certain areas.

The Kremlin continues efforts to portray itself as adequately mobilizing the Russian defense industrial base (DIB) for a protracted war effort.

Russian occupation authorities continue to use maternity capital benefits to coerce Ukrainian civilians in occupied territories to accept Russian citizenship and increase social control in occupied areas.


ETA
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China's increasing misalignment with Russia on any settlement to end the war in Ukraine was reportedly evident at the talks in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on August 5-6. The Financial Times reported that the Chinese representatives at the meeting were “constructive” and “keen to show that [China] is not Russia.”[10] The Financial Times quoted one European diplomat present at the talks as saying that the “mere presence of China shows Russia is more and more isolated.”[11] The Chinese delegation reportedly indicated its willingness to attend the next meeting of a similar format that will likely also exclude Russia.[12] A Russian insider source alleged that Russia has rejected China's 12-point peace plan for the war in Ukraine from February 2023 (which the Chinese delegation re-introduced during the talks in Saudi Arabia) and that some Chinese elites are secretly expressing their dissatisfaction with the actions of the Russian leadership regarding a peaceful settlement of the war in Ukraine.[13] These reports from the talks in Saudi Arabia and insider allegations, if true, align with ISW’s previous assessments that China is not fully aligned with Russia on the issue of Ukraine and that Russia and China’s relationship is not a “no limits partnership” as the Kremlin desires.[14]

The Ukrainian delegation at the talks in Saudi Arabia presented a 10-point peace plan that reportedly included calls for global food security, nuclear safety, environmental security, humanitarian aid, and prisoner releases.[15] Ukrainian Presidential Administration Chief of Staff reported that all of the members of BRICS besides Russia – Brazil, India, China, and South Africa – attended the talks.[16] Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova predictably responded to the Ukrainian peace plan, calling it a “meaningless ultimatum, which is aimed at protracting hostilities.”[17] Zakharova thereby repeated a longstanding Russian information operation that absurdly claims that Russia, unlike Ukraine, “has always been and will remain open to a diplomatic solution” to the war in Ukraine.[18]
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 11:02 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:24 pm to
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Impressive growth of Army artillery ammunition from 8K/month, our training requirements, to 25K. We have the industrial capacity. Just need the political will to invest.


Thank you, I knew I had heard 8k floated around at some point last year as the monthly production.

Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:39 pm to
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Let us know the final numbers since it still has 14 hours to run at this point.

Since you want to use this source to strengthen the substance of your view of the war you should have no problem with their other posts? It's not like Twitter polls are open to manipulation, or that random screen captures make it easy to create a false perception, right?

https://twitter.com/stats_feed/status/1688466747215724544


https://twitter.com/stats_feed/status/1687536158832742400






Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:53 pm to
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Did you know that Monsanto no longer exists?

What's the difference what is the name of the campaign that changed the sign on its office if the type of activity remained the same? It was Monsanto, it became Bayer, what has changed?
I brought this name simply because it is well known.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 11:58 pm
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:10 am to
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I was not a liar. You are nekul'turnaya svin'ya, rasprostranyayushchaya lozh.' You posted lies about the grain silo explosion in turkey. Spend 5 minutes and download a VPN and see your telegram claims are lies!

Features of the translation?
I called the SECOND writer a liar here.
I asked you for your photos, which you personally took, on your camera or phone. And not downloaded from somewhere on the Internet. To make sure you were really there. You didn't provide a photo.
So while you have not provided a photo, I do not apologize that I misunderstood my words.
I already wrote about VPN. For the sake of one or two photos I will not do this.
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:21 am to
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The image is not a photoshop going by Fotoforensics ELA analysis. There are no indicators Utkin's head or the tattoos have been added in afterwards.
.....

Come on from the start.
Who is Utkin?
The fact that he is the founder of PMC Wagner is written only in the English-language press. I have been interested in this topic for a long time, I correspond with the direct participants of the PMC, but I read about Utkin only yesterday here on the forum.
I even thought that annoyingly overslept this news. I asked my friends who are on the front line or in the PMC itself, no one has heard anything about this surname. Everyone unanimously says that the PMC was organized by Prigogine.
So the name "Utkin" does not tell me anything.
By the way, in russian the word "Utkin" is very consonant with the word "duck", which is a synonym for newspaper lies and in Russian sounds like a "newspaper duck". In English, these are completely different words.
Posted by ruff fish
Member since Feb 2021
526 posts
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:51 am to
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I haven't seen these before, can you expand on how are either of the videos show Ukraine is receiving weapons via ships used in the grain deal?

There is no direct video of how weapons are transported on grain ships. there are documents and the return of grain ships and a ban on entering the ports of the Russian Federation, because traces of explosives were found on board.
After two attacks on the Crimean bridge from the sea, it was found from the wreckage of drones that they were launched from the ships of queens going along the grain corridor.
LINK
There were many videos when, after the bombing of ports on August 1, 2, ports in Izmail, Odessa, 5-7 large calls with secondary detonation were visible. I think you have already seen how grain dust explodes in American incidents. Remember how many secondary detonations were there? And at the same time 5 times in one night?

Now videos with explosions go hundreds per hour. The old ones are hard to find. Here's what came up on a short search.
This is a Russian bombing of ports with "grain" in Odessa and Izmail
LINK
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30644 posts
Posted on 8/8/23 at 1:01 am to
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The fact that he is the founder of PMC Wagner is written only in the English-language press.


Given Prigozhin was primarily in the grocery and food service business one would think he had a military "partner" in starting Wagner. What do Russian sources claim to be that first military side commander of Wagner?


Who is the guy on the far right? I don't know Russian "orders" very well but it looks like 4 Orders of Courage so you should be able to track him down fairly easily in Russian language sources.

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