re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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There is no direct video of how weapons are transported on grain ships. there are documents and the return of grain ships and a ban on entering the ports of the Russian Federation, because traces of explosives were found on board.

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Of course there are traces of explosives found on board. As the world saw yesterday, grain dust is explosive and grain carriers have lots of grain dust. However, you have not provided any proof of military explosives on the ships.

Also ask yourself this question. Why would Ukraine waste its time smuggling weapons into Odessa by grain ships? Ukraine can have those weapons delivered to Poland and sent by train to the front. Ukraine can also have those weapons shipped to Romania and put on truck or train there. Russia is not stupid enough stop an international ship heading to a nato port to search for weapons. Russia could very easily stop an international ship headed to Odessa to search it for weapons. Simple logic says that it would be stupid for Ukraine to try and smuggle weapons into its ports. There are much easier ways to get them.

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August 1, 2, ports in Izmail, Odessa, 5-7 large calls with secondary detonation were visible. I think you have already seen how grain dust explodes in American incidents. Remember how many secondary detonations were there? And at the same time 5 times in one night?

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The videos of the bombings of Odessa and Izmail are consistent with bomb explosions followed by secondary explosions from grain dust, vehicles, fuel tanks, etc. I’m no expert but I do know explosive experts and they have said the same thing.

Once again you offer no proof to back up your claims. Just admit it. Your government is lying to you and you believe the lies. Download a vpn and do some alternate research and you will see that I am right. You are being lied to on a constant basis.



Change of topic. What is going on with Wagner? We in the west here that parts of Wagner are being redeployed to Africa and parts of Wagner are being reassigned to the Russian military. However, my friends in St Petersburg say that the anti-Wagner propaganda has stopped and the guy who lead the revolt or coup was recently on tv in St Petersburg. Was the coup real or was it a rouse? This is no gotcha question. I’m genuinely curious about the average Russian perspective on this.

Russian ‘Double-Tap’ Strike Kills at Least Seven, Injures 36 Emergency Services Workers

Moscow’s brutal and deliberate strategy of waiting until rescuers reach the scene and then striking again is well-documented both in Ukraine and Syria.

by Pete Shmigel | August 8, 2023, 8:45 am

At least seven people have been killed and 67 injured after two Russian missiles – 40 minutes apart – hit a residential building in the eastern Ukrainian city of Pokrovsk.

Many of the dead and wounded are emergency workers attending the scene of the first explosion, a deliberate attack strategy often used by Moscow’s forces known as a “double-tap.”

Ukraine's minister of internal affairs Ihor Klymenko said the second attack killed a high-ranking emergency official of the Donetsk region and “29 police officers, seven rescuers and two children” were among the wounded.



The Kyiv Post

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Also ask yourself this question. Why would Ukraine waste its time smuggling weapons into Odessa by grain ships? Ukraine can have those weapons delivered to Poland and sent by train to the front. Ukraine can also have those weapons shipped to Romania and put on truck or train there. Russia is not stupid enough stop an international ship heading to a nato port to search for weapons. Russia could very easily stop an international ship headed to Odessa to search it for weapons. Simple logic says that it would be stupid for Ukraine to try and smuggle weapons into its ports. There are much easier ways to get them.

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Well, the answer is obvious and lies on the surface. Sea transport transports much larger volumes than other modes of transport. Secondly, the "zen deal" guarantees that the ships will not be blown up.

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The videos of the bombings of Odessa and Izmail are consistent with bomb explosions followed by secondary explosions from grain dust, vehicles, fuel tanks, etc. I'm no expert but I do know explosive experts and they have said the same thing.

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We are not the official media here, but we are trying to figure out what is really happening.
I'm not a professional bomb tech either. But I saw cars burning and never saw an explosion from a burning truck with a "mushroom" of smoke up to the sky, which went out after a couple of minutes.

You don't have to deceive yourself.

And about your pictures, I still do not believe.
Ukrainians are immediately imprisoned for them. To prevent this from happening, they post pictures on social networks and delete them on their phones .. This is one thing, and the second is to take a harmless picture of a local object. Monument, famous building, etc.



Regarding Wagner's "walk" towards Moscow, average citizens clucked for a week and forgot about it.
Personally, I have thoughts that it was, but so far I can’t confirm this with anything, so I’ll wait with my statements for now.

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Come on from the start.
Who is Utkin?
The fact that he is the founder of PMC Wagner is written only in the English-language press. I have been interested in this topic for a long time, I correspond with the direct participants of the PMC, but I read about Utkin only yesterday here on the forum.
I even thought that annoyingly overslept this news. I asked my friends who are on the front line or in the PMC itself, no one has heard anything about this surname. Everyone unanimously says that the PMC was organized by Prigogine.
So the name "Utkin" does not tell me anything.
By the way, in russian the word "Utkin" is very consonant with the word "duck", which is a synonym for newspaper lies and in Russian sounds like a "newspaper duck". In English, these are completely different words

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My post was not addressing the validity or lack thereof regarding Utkins identity as a member of Wagner, others have offered numerous points of data supporting that he is already, hence I did not quote or question that part of your post in my reply.

What I was addressing was your claim the photo was an obvious photoshop or propaganda construct, you deflected around backing up your claim with in your response by rehashing something I was not even talking about which does not give your story of friends in PMC a lot of weight.

If you would like to back it up with something beyond words I am happy to have a look.

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There is no direct video of how weapons are transported on grain ships. there are documents and the return of grain ships and a ban on entering the ports of the Russian Federation, because traces of explosives were found on board

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I was not asking for other videos showing how the explosives were being transported. I was asking how the videos you did show were evidence of explosives. If you want to provide the a link to the documents you mention of ships showing traces of explosives to back up your claim, please do.

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After two attacks on the Crimean bridge from the sea, it was found from the wreckage of drones that they were launched from the ships of queens going along the grain corridor.

https://t.me/partizan1941/50080 - Video

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Video attack of the Ukrainian uncrewed sea drone on the Russian tanker « SIG » in the Black Sea, about 30 miles from the Crimean bridge.

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The video in your link is of the attack on a Russian tanker several days ago - nothing in it or in the post provides evidence of drones being launched from other tankers using the grain corridor. This has been claimed before and a case could be made considering the distance to where the tanker was hit - though there are plenty of other options where the drone could be launched from.

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There were many videos when, after the bombing of ports on August 1, 2, ports in Izmail, Odessa, 5-7 large calls with secondary detonation were visible. I think you have already seen how grain dust explodes in American incidents. Remember how many secondary detonations were there? And at the same time 5 times in one night?

Now videos with explosions go hundreds per hour. The old ones are hard to find. Here's what came up on a short search.
This is a Russian bombing of ports with "grain" in Odessa and Izmail
https://t.me/legitimniy/15986 - Videos

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At night, more than 5 camicadze drones flew in the port of Izmail, the sixth was shot down. The oil storage in Izmail, which caught fire, was damaged.
By the way, we warned, that the next goals of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will be precisely oil storage facilities in Ilyichevsky, Southern, Izmail and other ports of the region and not only ports. This will gradually affect the fuel market.
Local reports that there is no good air defense in the region, but only anti-aircraft guns and shooting installations. Related to this is such a easy passage to the target and an exact hit.

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I've seen the videos of the attacks on Izmail, how does an attack on oil storage provide any support to your claim of Ukraine receiving weapons via tankers or that drones are being launched from them?

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You are single handedly ruining this thread. frick you. This is a thread about the actual military maneuvers and combat actions.

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He's posting links to videos of Ukrainian USV's in action.

Isn't he actually a Russian in Russia? Seems relevant.

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Either there is a notorious language barrier, or I do not understand exactly the whole depth of your question.
I don't shy away from the answer.
if I claimed that the photo is true, then it would be my problem to find evidence of its authenticity.
Are you telling me that I should find evidence on the posted photo by another member that she is not real?
How? to find that man and take a picture of him naked in the bath, so that the tattoo could be clearly seen?

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Your first post claimed the photo was manipulated through photoshop.

I showed, with evidence, it was highly likely it was not.

You ignored this and instead raised friends in Wagner not knowing Utkin and the meaning of Utkins name in Russian.

These had no relation beyond the subject person to what I had challenged in your post - Your claim that the photo was manipulated through photoshop.

While it could be a language barrier, from interacting with you several times now it appears you are more likely trying to deflect around questions to your claims by throwing out other ones without addressing the initial questions.

While it is interesting to see this from someone who is telling us not to believe any official narratives or propaganda I will desist so the thread doesn't get side tracked further.

Tendar:

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Ukrainian forces have launched a surprise assault near Kozachi Laheri, south of the Dnipro River and east of Kherson city. The operation most likely started 2 days ago, but OPSEC prevented reporting of it for good reason.

Multiple pro-Russian sources express their "concern" of the situation, since a bridgehead has been established. Some Russian sources even claim of a strike as deep as 800m and the first line of Russian defence broken.

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The fact of a Ukrainian assault across the Dnipro is universally confirmed, but some Russian sources, including Rybar and Governor Saldo, are saying that it has been repulsed. Other Russian sources have responded that they are lying/wrong, and Ukraine has actually established a beachhead here.

A Ukrainian beachhead in this area would conceivably allow Ukraine to attack Oleshky from three sides.

But this might also simply be an attempt to get Russia to deploy more reserves to South Kherson, so that there are fewer left for other areas of the front.

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Prigozhin is an organizer, a manager, if it's more convenient for you. Of course, he had military men there, it cannot be otherwise in a PMC. Girls from the ballet school are not accepted there. Today I am not ready to answer you why exactly "Wagner" and not "Mozart" or "pink ponies", I need to look for this information. For me personally, the name is just a wrapper for a product. If they were called "gray wolves" or "wild geese" you would still ask why they were called that way.

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Oh the mind of a pinko.

You wouldn’t mind commenting on your friend Ivan nearly taking his arm off shooting an rpg like an AK, would you?

Your strange bedfellows refuse to comment on it, maybe the pinko will.