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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:16 pm to Hateradedrink
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:16 pm to Hateradedrink
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I’d love for someone to functionally explain how that would even work.
You simply have to remember both of these key facts:
1) Zelensky is a complete puppet of the US and fighting a proxy war for us that we started, and
2) Zelensky is part of a insidious, globalist (Jewish) conspiracy to manipulate the US into sending troops to the front line and/or drag America into nuclear war.
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Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:18 pm to upgrayedd
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I've heard nothing but positive spin around this counteroffensive.
You should come around more often.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:21 pm to REG861
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They would be fighting with or without our material support.
Nah. The war would’ve been over months ago without our bombs and bullets.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:22 pm to Darth_Vader
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It’s pointless to keep it going.
Problem is neither side is ready to stop and draw lines and sign peace.
Ukraine was fighting it out before 2022 with basically no help. They stopped Russia with no help and have won Karkiv and Kherson with western help. Ukraine will continue to fight without any more aide. They know any “peace” will be short lived
Russia is not ready to end this either. They are willing to fight right now until they have a Russian puppet in Kiev. Any “peace” would j require no EU or NATO membership for Ukraine. Without those, any peace would just be a paise while russia regroups and builds up defenses. Then they will attack again when they are ready.
For this to end, one side needs to cause enough losses that the other side loses the Will to fight.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:32 pm to Hateradedrink
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Russia is on record repeatedly saying the time is not yet right for negotiations. The US is on record repeatedly saying the decision is Ukraine’s and we will support them whichever way.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:34 pm to upgrayedd
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Didn't the West torpedo multiple negotiations between Russia and Ukraine?
Nope. Russia refused to negotiate without western nations at the table, and Western nations didn't want to negotiate with Russia. So nothing happened, but it's somehow turned into the West solely torpedoed the deal when neither party wanted to negotiate.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:36 pm to REG861
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Most people around here are more than happy to sacrifice every Ukrainian for their own good
That's such offensive filth, coming from the side that wants to leave all of Ukraine to have its women raped, its children kidnapped, and its men killed by Russian troops who have done exactly those things in the areas that they've controlled.
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The alternative is Chechen barbarians raping and pillaging major cities, a targeted campaign to erase the Ukrainian national identity (as has been documented), and generally being subsumed into Putin’s autocracy. There would be another Bucha in every city Russia captured. Are you more than happy with that outcome?
That's exactly the outcome that some of them want. Most of them love dictatorships. So much of the Right is no longer conservative, but influenced by the lust for power and by people like Andrew Tate and Bronze-Age Pervert.
That's where all of the Q insanity comes from -- pretending that the people they hated were trafficking kids for adrenochrome justified their revenge fantasies. I never really figured out the appeal of Q conspiracies until I realized that it was about revenge fantasy and the desire to punish the people they hate.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:39 pm to ColtRange
Interview with Ukrainian presidential advisor Mykhailo Podolyak...
Zelenskyy advisor: Defeat in Ukraine will spark collapse of Putin regime
Zelenskyy advisor: Defeat in Ukraine will spark collapse of Putin regime
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
This thread has jumped the shark and should be moved to the poliboard. It’s hilarious how emotionally invested some of you are in a war that really has very little to do with us outside of us paying for the majority of it.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:46 pm to ColtRange
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ColtRange
You might want to actually read the LINK
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Blinken’s position is similar to that of Ukrainian officials, including his statement that Russia must pay for a share of Ukraine’s reconstruction and be held accountable for the full-scale invasion of its neighbor in February 2022.
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Blinken said Washington was ready to support peace efforts by other countries, including those by China and Brazil but that any peace agreement must uphold the principles of sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:46 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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This thread has jumped the shark and should be moved to the poliboard
Ironic when PT regulars come here, post political views/start a political back and forth and then complain it’s political.
East solution, start an identical thread on PT and post the political back and forth there. This thread actually was moving slow the past week until recently when PT regulars started to visit.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:47 pm to REG861
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There would be another Bucha in every city Russia captured.
Weird, Russia has taken hundreds of towns/villages in the east..why hasn't this happened yet?
This post was edited on 8/5/23 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:49 pm to tigeraddict
Dude, people are arguing the merits of the Q thread in here 
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:52 pm to ColtRange
quote:How do you know it hasn't happened in those towns?
Weird, Russia has taken hundreds of towns/villages in the east..why hasn't this happened yet?
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:55 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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This thread has jumped the shark and should be moved to the poliboard.
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GeauxxxTigers23
Melt
This post was edited on 8/5/23 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:57 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Dude, people are arguing the merits of the Q thread in here
You mention an opposing opinion and it's their first response.
Nevermind that fact that I got banned from that thread for calling them all lunatics. They're opposite sides of the same coin and they can't see it.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 12:58 pm to tigeraddict
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Ironic when PT regulars come here, post political views/start a political back and forth and then complain it’s political.
It's a never ending loop. They'll get bored, go away for a few weeks, then randomly start vomiting the exact same talking points as if they've never once seen them discussed all over this thread again.
This post was edited on 8/5/23 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 8/5/23 at 1:02 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Melt
Nah man, this is a melt.
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That's such offensive filth, coming from the side that wants to leave all of Ukraine to have its women raped, its children kidnapped, and its men killed by Russian troops who have done exactly those things in the areas that they've controlled.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 1:06 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 8/5/23 at 1:09 pm to upgrayedd
Ukraine peace plan meeting kicks off in Saudi Arabia
by The Kyiv Independent news desk August 5, 2023 5:39 PM
A two-day summit, set to last until Aug. 6, began in Jeddah, gathering senior officials from some 40 countries, except Russia, to discuss the implementation of Ukraine's peace formula between international partners.
The WSJ, which first reported on the meeting on July 29, listed Egypt, Mexico, Indonesia, Chile, and Zambia among the invitees, adding that some have already confirmed their participation. Those include the U.K., South Africa, Poland, and the European Union.
President Volodymyr Zelensky's Chief of Staff Andrii Yermak confirmed that national security advisers and political advisers to heads of state would attend the event.
"We are deeply convinced that the Ukrainian peace plan should be taken as a basis because the war is taking place on our land," Yermak said.
The summit comes as Russia and the West battle over the support of developing countries, which have mostly stayed neutral throughout Russia's 16-month-old full-scale war against Ukraine.
Ukraine's 10-point peace formula, supported by many Western allies, includes the restoration of the country's territorial integrity, a complete withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine, and judging those responsible for war crimes.
by The Kyiv Independent news desk August 5, 2023 5:39 PM
A two-day summit, set to last until Aug. 6, began in Jeddah, gathering senior officials from some 40 countries, except Russia, to discuss the implementation of Ukraine's peace formula between international partners.
The WSJ, which first reported on the meeting on July 29, listed Egypt, Mexico, Indonesia, Chile, and Zambia among the invitees, adding that some have already confirmed their participation. Those include the U.K., South Africa, Poland, and the European Union.
President Volodymyr Zelensky's Chief of Staff Andrii Yermak confirmed that national security advisers and political advisers to heads of state would attend the event.
"We are deeply convinced that the Ukrainian peace plan should be taken as a basis because the war is taking place on our land," Yermak said.
The summit comes as Russia and the West battle over the support of developing countries, which have mostly stayed neutral throughout Russia's 16-month-old full-scale war against Ukraine.
Ukraine's 10-point peace formula, supported by many Western allies, includes the restoration of the country's territorial integrity, a complete withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine, and judging those responsible for war crimes.
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