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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/5/23 at 2:48 pm to Hateradedrink
Posted on 8/5/23 at 2:48 pm to Hateradedrink
You’re confusing me with someone else obviously
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Posted on 8/5/23 at 2:59 pm to ColtRange
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:03 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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You’re confusing me with someone else obviously
I’m not going to go overboard with this like a few others have, but you really do try so hard to pretend to the the neutral guy on a war that you claim to not care at all about, but somehow are almost always disputing pro Ukraine post.
It’s just a little strange. But you aren’t a troll so that’s a positive and aren’t acting like an arse.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:05 pm to ColtRange
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The best case scenario for Ukraine right now is to negotiate peace, dig in, and save what manpower they left. This is the real world, what's fair rarely factors in
The best cast isn’t for Ukraine to surrender. What would that bring? Time for Russia to rest, rebuild, and renew their offense in several years?
No, it over for Ukraine unless they push Russia back and force them to cut a deal. But even then there’s no guarantee Russia will live by their promises. They have proven they can’t be trusted.
In my opinion talk of a peace treaty is a joke. Russia can’t be trusted to abide by treaties.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:14 pm to ColtRange
Where is popular support for Ukraine “ fading fast”?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:14 pm to doubleb
Agreed. Ukraine needs to push the orcs out of crimea. It’s too strategically important for it to stay in Russian control. It’s ability to export grain, for example is much more vulnerable with Russian bases so close to Odessa
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:15 pm to notiger1997
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I’m not going to go overboard with this like a few others have, but you really do try so hard to pretend to the the neutral guy on a war that you claim to not care at all about, but somehow are almost always disputing pro Ukraine post.
Well for one, I really don’t care all that much. It just doesn’t affect me or my life one way or the other. It really doesn’t affect the lives of the vast majority of average Americans. My interest in the war is because it’s interesting geopolitical event and I get to watch a modern ground war in Europe. Which is something I’d never see in my lifetime.
As far as disputing pro-Ukrainian posts you’re right. But it’s not because I’m anti-Ukraine or pro-Russia. There are plenty of people already in this thread who dispute every pro-Russian or anti-Ukrainian post so it would really just be piling on. Although I have called out some of the more ridiculous pro-Russian posts a few times. And I don’t dispute pro-Ukrainian posts unless they’re outlandish or just dumb takes. And frankly there are more of those in this thread than there are asinine pro Russian posts.
Most of the posts I’ve made that have probably been construed as “pro-Russian” are really anti-European posts. I think Western Europe sucks balls. They’re a bunch of leeches who don’t pull their own weight. I look down on then like the immature children they are. They should be providing the lions share of monetary support to this war. Yet we are spending as much as the entire continent is combined. We provide the majority of the intelligence. We provide the internet and bandwidth that their military relies on, which is a massive expense and I don’t think most people realize that. And then there’s fricking Germany, whose actions and reliance on Russia have contributed more to Putin’s confidence that he could get away with this invasion than anything else.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:18 pm to BRHSBulldog
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Agreed. Ukraine needs to push the orcs out of crimea. It’s too strategically important for it to stay in Russian control.
Out of curiosity, to what extent are you willing the US and some other NATO countries willing to go to in order to make that happen?
F-16s? More money? Troops on the ground?
In my opinion, if Ukraine can't make substantial territorial gains quickly, Crimea is firmly in Russia's control.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:34 pm to El Segundo Guy
Mother Ukraine till death!
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:41 pm to El Segundo Guy
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Out of curiosity, to what extent are you willing the US and some other NATO countries willing to go to in order to make that happen?
Europe would do well to ratchet things up. I read where they were putting up half the aid. They need to make it 67% of the aid. The Us needs to maintain our level. Western economies can win the day.
No NATO troops.
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In my opinion, if Ukraine can't make substantial territorial gains quickly, Crimea is firmly in Russia's control.
I agree. Time is short.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:41 pm to El Segundo Guy
What would be perfect is if this thread had about 10-12 post a day on war updates with a little opinion to go along with the news stories.
I’m sick of the bullshite
I’m sick of the bullshite
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:45 pm to notiger1997
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What would be perfect is if this thread had about 10-12 post a day on war updates with a little opinion to go along with the news stories.
Feel free to contribute some updates to go along with your opinion for once.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:47 pm to nitwit
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Where is popular support for Ukraine “ fading fast”?
Obviously I don't expect our government to cut them off but the public sentiment is changing. If no real progress is reported in the next couple months, it's going to get more and more difficult to justify the weekly $1.3 billion dollar aid packages to the public.
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"A majority of Americans continue to support the effort in helping Ukraine regain all of its lost territory, even if that means a more prolonged conflict. The 62% favoring this today represents a slight decline in popular support for that position from August 2022, when Gallup first asked the question." (June 2023)
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"Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, as the public splits over whether the US has already done enough to assist Ukraine.
Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding." (August 2023)
LINK
Not to mention the media is starting to run articles that ask some realistic questions for once, this was basically nonexistent until the last couple weeks.
'The pace of the Ukrainian "offensive" is forcing the West to think about a truce' - La Repubblica
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:47 pm to ColtRange
I think Ukraine is another 100 billion away winning this thing
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:50 pm to notiger1997
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What would be perfect is if this thread had about 10-12 post a day on war updates with a little opinion to go along with the news stories.
I’m sick of the bullshite
What bullshite did I espouse? I asked a legitimate question and then gave my opinion. I follow this thread but rarely post in it. You're obviously upset about something.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:52 pm to El Segundo Guy
You’re right. That’s the issue: how important is this? I don’t understand the hesitancy to transfer longer range middle systems and F-16s but appreciate that the public might not have all the facts. But, American troops? I’ve got to say no. Don’t want my son or anyone else’s going to war.
Ukraine must defend itself of course, it’s in an existential fight that it did not create. Russia caused this, and any contrary argument is just foolishness. Russia is in the wrong, period.
Nothing but its sound defeat will stop it from further aggression against others. Eastern European countries like lithoes s e in the Baltics and Poland understand this very well and are acting accordingly. They know more about Russia than we do.
Why not give them the weapons? But American bodies, no
Ukraine must defend itself of course, it’s in an existential fight that it did not create. Russia caused this, and any contrary argument is just foolishness. Russia is in the wrong, period.
Nothing but its sound defeat will stop it from further aggression against others. Eastern European countries like lithoes s e in the Baltics and Poland understand this very well and are acting accordingly. They know more about Russia than we do.
Why not give them the weapons? But American bodies, no
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:55 pm to doubleb
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The best cast isn’t for Ukraine to surrender. What would that bring? Time for Russia to rest, rebuild, and renew their offense in several years?
Surrender is what they're going to be doing if they keep trying to force this offensive. It's not working and it's not going to work, depleting the rest of your military doesn't give you any leverage.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:58 pm to BRHSBulldog
Russia was obviously the aggressor. I'd like to see Ukraine win but it's getting to the point where if they can't do anything substantive at all with the support they've received thus far, it looks like a stalemate.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 3:59 pm to El Segundo Guy
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El Segundo Guy
Dude, chill. I wasn’t directing that to you in anyway. You were just the last post at the time so I replied to it.
I’m meaning tired of the general BS of having to scroll though pages and pages of crap to get good information worth reading.
And yes I’m guilty of the problem of responding to the trolls as well so I need to do better.
Posted on 8/5/23 at 4:03 pm to ColtRange
quote:I don't think either side will be in any position to force surrender on the other at the conclusion of this offensive, regardless of the outcome.
Surrender is what they're going to be doing if they keep trying to force this offensive.
quote:This works both ways. Especially considering that manpower is potentially Russia's biggest advantage and Putin negates that by relying on stopgap partial mobilizations.
It's not working and it's not going to work, depleting the rest of your military doesn't give you any leverage.
If I had to bet my money would be on a frozen conflict at this point.
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