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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:43 pm to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:43 pm to
Isw update

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Key Takeaways:

The July 17 attack on the Kerch Strait Bridge will likely have significant and sustained impacts on Russian logistics as traffic from tourism to occupied Crimea jams Russian logistics to southern Ukraine in the midst of the ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive in the south.

Russian and occupation authorities appear to be consumed with mitigating the consequences of the attack rather than leveraging the incident to levy heavy informational attacks with rhetorical inflections.

The Russian milblogger response to the Kerch Strait Bridge attack largely criticized Russian authorities for failing to secure the bridge.

The Wagner Group continues to prepare to establish a permanent presence in Belarus.

Russia continues efforts to reorganize its domestic security apparatus in the wake of the Wagner Group’s armed rebellion.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front over the backdrop of increased Russian offensive operations along the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border on July 17.

Russian forces conducted active offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove line and have likely made marginal tactical gains in this direction.

Russian forces continued limited ground attacks southwest and south of Kreminna, around Bakhmut, and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in the Bakhmut area and advanced near the Donetsk-Zaporizhia administrative border.

Russian forces conducted limited counterattacks in western Donetsk Oblast.

Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued unsuccessful ground attacks in the Orikhiv area in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russian opposition outlet Verstka reported that Russian authorities have removed at least eight Russian military commanders without reappointing them to new positions since the start of the war, which is largely consistent with ISW’s previous assessments.

Russian occupation authorities continue to artificially increase the number of Russian citizens in occupied Ukraine ahead of the September regional elections.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:45 pm to
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To compare it to football, I'd say we're at halftime, they have the 2nd half to do something.


To compare the Ukrainian offensive to football, I would say that they began by attempting LSU's 2019 offense. Unfortunately, they do not have the military equivalent of Burrow, Jefferson, and Chase; and it turned out that the Russians have excellent pass rushers and defensive backs.

Since that didn't work, Ukraine is instead trying something like a Les Miles offense. They are pounding the rock and softening up the defense, with the hope of wearing them out so that the running backs can go wild in the fourth quarter, after the defense is too tired.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 8:46 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:52 pm to
Good analogy
Posted by ned nederlander
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:55 pm to
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But to answer your question, no I am not sure, lol. You get what you pay for on this site. I am not a military expert, just a guy trying to figure things out.


And amazingly, I think this thread is as good as it gets for coverage and analysis of this war. Your post was the first I read that pointed out the importance of Staromlynivka in terms of bringing all east/west Russian movement into full Ukrainian artillery range.
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:56 pm to
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Ukraine is instead trying something like a Les Miles offense.


Lord help them. LOL
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:58 pm to
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:09 pm to
It's the best aggregation of information on the war that I've come across. Its also not an echo chamber, anyone who comes here to discuss the war gets treated fairly as long as they aren't here to simply troll.

Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13094 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:11 pm to
Hopefully the Ukes are better at game management than Les.
In terms of offense, they are taking what the Ruskies give them.
Patience.
I think Ukraine can sustain this dynamic longer than Russia.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:47 pm to
Minefields are the big issue, not push around with a humvee dragon's teeth, or drop a load of stuff in the hole trenches to drove over.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:06 pm to
Several reports of drone and missile launches towards Odessa region - possible retaliation towards Ukraine following the strike on the Kerch bridge earlier and to signify their intent to not engage with the grain deal again as Odessan port of Chornomorsk is where the shipments left.

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1681105972855463936

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NEW: Missile launches reported towards Odesa oblast from Russia's black sea fleet


Explosions heard in Odesa oblast. Air defence activity reported.

Loud explosions heard in Odesa


https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1681087485479116801

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Pretty massive drone attack currently taking place in Odessa


Edit: Clarified shipment port location
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 10:09 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:14 pm to
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Interested to see if resumption of use is true with footage of traffic over the actual damaged section rather than random spots supposedly from the bridge and Ministry statements.


This appears to confirm that traffic has indeed resumed over the right hand side of the Kerch bridge. You can see some of the same damaged structure from other footage and the car clearly goes down a ramp. Curious to see if this is a PR stunt or how they will operate the bridge until the more damage side can be fixed.

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1681111874157391872 - Video

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Holy shite, they have actually just put down a ramp and are having people drive over the displaced section.

The section on the right that while not in the water, clearly has severe structural damage to the underside, is shifted off its supports and is no longer straight.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:24 pm to
Edit: Note that The video from the circled tweet contains a dead body, and while highly pixelated, should be deemed NSFW.



This popped up last night with an initial video but I put it aside to follow the events around the bridge. These gents look well trained and equipped.

https://twitter.com/CalibreObscura/status/1681044078123708416 - Videos

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[Part One] The full footage shows a well armed DRG team during the attack in #Belgorod, incl. Abdul Hakim Al-Shishani himself. Seems that Ajnad al Kavkaz is essentially back.

The team from the newly formed Ichkerian "Department of Military Intelligence" enters Russia carefully.

An Ichkerian DRG team from the GUR providing some new air conditioning holes to an isolated Russian Ural-4320 truck, feat. SIG 516 with Romeo4T and PK.

[Part Two] They can be seen with the GUR-issue Sig 516 and multiple PK(M) as noted already, as well as Yugoslavian M80 Zolja AT, Bulgarian Bulspike-AT/AP, and RPG-7 with PG-7S launchers.

The truck is hit by what is probably a Bulspike-AT & is then liberally riddled with gunfire.

[Part Three] As can be seen, this ambush was entirely successful. I have removed the part where the body of the driver can be seen. Those of you who have watched Latakia combat footage may recognise TTPs and even personnel.

Expect a lot more of this. GUR has resourced them well.

Ichkerian esoterica enthusiasts rise up, today is an interesting day.


I didn't realise that Ichkerians are actually Chechens until I went and did some reading. I can see why these guys may not like Russia very much and by the sounds of it will have plenty of experience operating in hostile territory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_Republic_of_Ichkeria
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 10:33 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:45 pm to
I will happily wear the moniker of keyboard warrior if I can have one of these.

https://twitter.com/palpeet/status/1681015770824822784 - Video



Posted by NOLATiger163
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Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:53 pm to
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That is spectacular. I can see an old-school ... men's magazine cartoon with Vlad standing there, with his member in that geometry, telling his mistress, "The doc said it will be better by September 15."
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:14 am to
So, if Russia launches an offensive in the far east, what are the expectations? Will it be successful?

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1681144022029545472
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Ukrainian Officials as well as the Deputy Minister of Defense, Hanna Maliar are reporting that they have begun to observe a Large Buildup of Russian Forces in the Kharkiv Region near the City of Kupyansk which consist of roughly 100,000 Troops alongside 900 Tanks, 555 Artillery Pieces, and 370 Multiple-Launch Rockets Systems, they are also reporting the Deployment of Russian Support Assets including Fixed-Wing and Helicopter Aircraft towards the Frontline in the Region; these Officials have stated this may be in preparation for a Major Offensive on the City of Kharkiv that will be done in an attempt to “Draw” Ukrainian Forces away from their Counteroffensive in the South.

There have been “Rumors” regarding this Buildup for almost a week now but this is the 1st time that Ukrainian Officials have stated that it is actually ongoing, however I would still wait for some kind of Confirmation from U.S. or at least the Western Intelligence Community before fully believing this.


This post was edited on 7/18/23 at 1:15 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 1:22 am to
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1680983678812405760
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??The ????Russians gathered more than 100,000 soldiers in the Lymano-Kupian direction, said Cherevaty, the speaker of the Eastern Group of the Armed Forces of ????Ukraine.

"Also, the enemy has concentrated more than 900 tanks, more than 550 artillery systems and 370 rocket salvo systems."

Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 3:19 am to
Good thread on this from Tatarigami, worth reading the comments where there is some decent back and forth.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1680989729599242245

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The recent counteroffensive in the Torske-Kupyansk axis has come as a surprise to many. However, I had previously written about their preparations for this counteroffensive almost a month ago.

Currently, the Russians are conducting extensive training of new motorized units in the Soutern military district. In order to strengthen our troops, we will need additional weaponry and improve training conditions

I don't mean to doom, but it is important for analysts, politicians and military observers to take these warnings seriously. By doing so, we can effectively prioritize obtaining the necessary armament for Ukraine, as well as exert pressure on our own MoD to address internal issues
.

If the build up is as large as claimed then that is a significant amount of combat power that could pose serious problems if used correctly but could also become a double edged sword if they don't if they lose substantial amounts of equipment and manpower while at the same time Ukraine achieves success further south.

Most likely they want to take pressure off the Southern front, as Tatarigami puts it:

quote:

I think it's just a part of their Active Defense approach - hold defenses to attrit technologically superior opponent while training new forces to launch a counter-offensive, when assaulting forces are exhausted. They are just following the doctrine and wait for an opportunity.


If a breakthrough becomes successful I would expect to see a drive down towards Sloviansk/Kramatorsk as these are quite important logistically and would mean the troops further east around Siversk and south to Bahkmut face encirclement, especially if the Russians can simultaneously push north west through Toretsk towards Druzhkivka







Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 5:11 am to
Russian Army recruitment billboard. Do you see the problem?





















It is a Leopard

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5722 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 5:13 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 18 July 2023

Over the last week, fighting has continued in multiple sectors of the front, with both sides achieving marginal advances in different areas.

In the north-east, Russian forces have attempted to push west through forests west of Kremina. Ukraine continues to resource significant effort around Russian-held Bakhmut. Here Russian forces are likely fragile but holding for now. Further south in Donetsk Oblast, especially around Avdiivka, Russian forces continue to attempt local assaults, with little success.

In the south, Ukraine continues to attack on at least two axes, but is unlikely to have yet broken into Russia's primary defensive lines. In this area, Russia has likely implemented a shell-rationing regime for artillery in an attempt to preserve its critical indirect fire capability. In Kherson Oblast, Ukraine maintains a small bridgehead on the left bank of the Dnipro River near the ruined Antonivsky Bridge which is an added challenge for Russian commanders who are likely concerned about the vulnerability of their south-western flank.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
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28100 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 5:39 am to
So my guys sent me this quote from Twitter. “This is a very weird article - it claims Burns/CIA had special clandestine agreements with Kremlin about what Ukrainian can and cannot do:
"In secret diplomacy largely led by the CIA, Kyiv pledged not to use the weapons to attack Russia itself. Zelensky has said openly that Ukraine will not attack Russia."
There is a link to the Newsweek Article on the CIA, lol I know my guys not only have their shite together but the article is the single biggest confirmation about literally every single thing they’ve given to me. I can’t believe it was published. Everything from back channel no nukes to off book stuff that has been flooding in to the theatre it’s all there. The concerns expressed about how Biden was going to try and get everyone to color within the lines, he really views this as the 70s invasion of Afghanistan where SAMs effectively destroyed the Russian Army and led to the collapse of the SU. In any case my mind is blown by the Newsweek article.
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