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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:27 pm to geauxtigers87
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:27 pm to geauxtigers87
quote:Mother Russia is saved!
I go off for 3 hours and now they've cut a deal?
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:30 pm to cgrand
None of the explanations offered so far seem plausible.
I kept thinking this was theatre to lure Ukraine into a rash and premature commitment of all its reserves to exploit the “coup”.
I still do not rule that out as a piece of somebody’s thinking. More likely the Prigster than Putin.
Putin’s credibility was plainly damaged.
I kept thinking this was theatre to lure Ukraine into a rash and premature commitment of all its reserves to exploit the “coup”.
I still do not rule that out as a piece of somebody’s thinking. More likely the Prigster than Putin.
Putin’s credibility was plainly damaged.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:31 pm to cgrand
I read where Putin has allowed the Oligarchs to clean out factories and basically pillage the occupied territories of everything that wasn't destroyed. He's got to keep them somewhat pacified right now after their losses in the west and lack of accessibility to the west.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:31 pm to G The Tiger Fan
How long does Putin have to let Prigozhin live before his "suicide" doesn't look suspicious?
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:35 pm to nitwit
Here is a possible puzzle piece.
Utkin hasn't been on the Radar screen since the war started and now all of a sudden he's leading the march on Moscow.
Prig goes into exile, Utkin takes over Wagner.
Utkin hasn't been on the Radar screen since the war started and now all of a sudden he's leading the march on Moscow.
Prig goes into exile, Utkin takes over Wagner.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:35 pm to jefffan
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But Prig does not care, because to him and Putin this was a transaction.
And that is the reason that Putin probally will not touch him.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:38 pm to Chromdome35
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What hasn't appeared is a reason for Prig to have accepted exile in Belarus and amnesty for his men after he made such a major fuss about overthrowing the MOD which appears to have never been part of the deal.
If the commentary is true and his primary motivation was the MOD order for PMCs to subordinate to the MOD...how did he fulfill that by having to go into exile. Does he keep control of Wagner from Belarus, I don't see it. What did he actually get? What was the point?
ETA: This whole thing is really strange
ETA2: Did Prig lose his nerve and bolt for the exit?
Seems like we have a lot to learn as more unfolds, but I wonder if what Prighozin really got was to be the next puppet in Belarus. Lukashenko has been on his death bed twice in recent months after Moscow visits. What if he’s Lukashenko’s replacement so he can whip the Belarusian army into something somewhat respectable and actually be able to help Putin in his endeavors more than just Wagner’s forces?
Seen a few tweets indicating Wagner troops will be integrated into the MOD so Putin retains the man power for the most part. Prighozin builds something in Belarus, and remember Putin just transferred nukes to Belarus. Obviously this part seems weird on the face of it, why put the guy who just led a supposed coup over your nukes next door, but the whole thing is odd - we all pretty well agree.
Just spitballing to try to make sense of it to be honest
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:42 pm to DabosDynasty
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Prighozin builds something in Belarus, and remember Putin just transferred nukes to Belarus.
Haven't we learned this is an empty threat? Anyway the Polish will keep an eye on Belarus.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:44 pm to DabosDynasty
Thing is though even if Prig becomes MoD for Belarus and gets them up to snuff. What's to stop him from marching into Moscow the moment Putin dies to attempt a takeover? He'll have a lot of people at his disposal than 50k then.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:45 pm to doubleb
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Do we know that?
No
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:46 pm to AU86
quote:of course they have that’s what this whole thing is all about. This is organized crime 101 except they are too fricking greedy to keep the peace while they do it. China knows how to do it they are the ones who perfected it centuries ago. These MFers never learned that it’s not sustainable if there has to be civilian casualties to do it
I read where Putin has allowed the Oligarchs to clean out factories and basically pillage the occupied territories of everything that wasn't destroyed.
all they know is brutality and this is a perfect example of what they have to do occasionally. And this is why the entire civilized world has come to the defense of Ukraine
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:49 pm to Hateradedrink
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The variable I can’t pin down is how the frick does Prig think this is gonna work out for him long-term
He thinks that Putin won't be in power for long in any case, so he can temporarily accept exile in Belarus until the time is ripe.
He knows that he has set himself up as a Robin Hood type of hero, marching for justice on behalf of the poor soldiers betrayed by corrupt commanders.
He can return from the island of Elba at any time.
At least, these are the things that he has told himself -- whether they turn out to be true or not is another story.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:49 pm to jefffan
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Thing is though even if Prig becomes MoD for Belarus and gets them up to snuff. What's to stop him from marching into Moscow the moment Putin dies to attempt a takeover? He'll have a lot of people at his disposal than 50k then.
Agree, that’s still the remaining crazy part. I don’t know. Just spitballing. Maybe Prighozin manages the fallout from Lukashenko’s death and accepts MOD leadership in Belarus as it’s fully integrated into Russia post Mortem for Lukashenko. Prighozin is supposedly the coup expert, you’d think that may make him successful in quelling the one that would be attempted when Lukashenko dies.
Your MOD verbiage vs my original thought of direct successor to Lukashenko led me down a related train of thought.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:56 pm to DabosDynasty
LINK
meanwhile, Ukraine alleges that they have taken the western part of the Donbas canal and that 80 Russians killed and wounded.
meanwhile, Ukraine alleges that they have taken the western part of the Donbas canal and that 80 Russians killed and wounded.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:00 pm to AU86
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I read where Putin has allowed the Oligarchs to clean out factories and basically pillage the occupied territories of everything that wasn't destroyed. He's got to keep them somewhat pacified right now after their losses in the west and lack of accessibility to the west.
Well, they bombed the crap out of the viagra factory in Severodentsk.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:01 pm to CitizenK
Putin is significantly weakened politically by this.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:04 pm to pankReb
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who the frick is this commie?
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BKR
BryanKellyRespecter.
Makes one wonder how many alters these types of losers have where they have to use the same initials to remember them all.
This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:13 pm to jefffan
I agree with NOEL, this picture of a Wagner tank that got stuck at the circus in Rostov-on-Don encapsulates the last 36 or so hours.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1672675709251203075
Though they did get it out later in the evening to much applause.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1672690185450971138 - Video
Edit: Added followup
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1672675709251203075
Though they did get it out later in the evening to much applause.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1672690185450971138 - Video
Edit: Added followup
This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:16 pm to CitizenK
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Putin is significantly weakened politically by this.
I dunno. Maybe. But the fact that Wagner just said never mind is bizarre.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:19 pm to GOP_Tiger
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He knows that he has set himself up as a Robin Hood type of hero, marching for justice on behalf of the poor soldiers betrayed by corrupt commanders.
If this is all taken at face value, didn’t Prigohzin mostly just betray his own poor soldiers, presumably for money and his own safety?
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