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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:48 pm to
It's really going to complicate the maps.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:50 pm to
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Yevgeny Prigozhin has now released a statement saying, “This is not a Military Coup. This is a March and a Wish for Justice. Russian Soldiers do not need to be worry because we will not Interfere with them.”


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BREAKING: Russia's FSB opens criminal case against Wagner founder Prigozhin due to this call of a armed mutiny - TASS

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This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:52 pm to
Ukrainians are joking that all the stores in Kyiv are already out of popcorn.
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:52 pm to
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov says Putin is aware of Wagner's Yevgeny Prigozhin basically declaring a coup against the army and claims "all the necessary measures are being taken." Whatever those are.

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672331032136421376
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:54 pm to
FSB seems to think that this is a coup: LINK

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"In response to these statements, the FSB of Russia has launched a criminal case over calls for an armed uprising. We demand to stop these unlawful actions at once."
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4689 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:58 pm to
LINK

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Rybar is reporting that the Russian Ministry of Justice has just announced that they will be adding the Leader of the Wagner PMC Group, Yevgeny Prigozhin to the Official List of Foreign Agents.


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Russia's Special Rapid Response Unit has been sent on a plane from Moscow to Belgorod, Sources say - Astra
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:01 pm to
So much drama. They’re more like us than we know.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:04 pm to
I'm not sure that I understand Prigozhin's plan right now. How is he and his 25k men going to succeed in taking power, when he doesn't control Moscow?

Is he under the impression that large Russian military units will mutiny and join him? Did he think that Kadryov or the FSB would take his side?

Obviously, I don't know what he knows, but I don't see how he wins.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:05 pm to
Man this got interesting AF
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:07 pm to
I honestly don’t even know what to try to predict or interpret. Best I can tell is he was told he’s going to get tossed out of a window soon (or they tried and he killed their assassin, so they blew up his troops) and he figured this is his best shot.

Maybe he actually intends to March to Moscow with 25k and see if the military joins him. Didn’t hitler try the same shite?
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:08 pm to
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"This is no military coup. This is a march for Justice. Our actions do not interfere with the army in any way".


said the leader of every single military coup ever.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3588 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:08 pm to
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I'm not sure that I understand Prigozhin's plan right now.


yeah.. I of course have no idea..

but I do find it interesting that the "counter-offensive" hit pause to some degree prior to this beginning to shake out..

Things that make you go hmmm....
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:08 pm to
Mobilised Russian soldiers facing the Ukrainian counteroffensive in Zaporizhzhya say they are suffering huge casualties from precision shelling by Ukrainian forces, cannot evacuate their wounded, and are brutally treated for refusing orders they consider to be suicidal.

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1672328130806046721?t=koBAQ7BytQcMukZQ_WTGKQ&s=19
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22596 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:09 pm to
He strikes me as the kinda guy who loves to hear himself talk… folks on both sides lap it up. But he’s run his mouth a little too much and Moscow finally called his bluff.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:13 pm to
The only one who benefits from all of this is Ukraine.

As to the counter offensive, it is still very much in progress. What we've seen so far is aggressive probing and shaping of the battlefield. Ukraine is forcing Russia to reposition troops, giving them time to do so, and will strike their real blow at some point in the not-too-far future.

I've said before that Ukraine has time on their side right now, they are making the most of it.
Posted by tigeraddict
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Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:13 pm to
Question that remains to be seen is what side is he on. Is he still in putins favor and this is the plan to show the MoD as the reason for the failures happening. With MoD and certain oligarchs about to take a fall “ out a window”.

Ir does he see weakness in Moscow and MoD and making his power play?

Did the lack of defense in belgorad show him the path to Moscow is open,……?
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:13 pm to
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I'm not sure that I understand Prigozhin's plan right now. How is he and his 25k men going to succeed in taking power, when he doesn't control Moscow?


Lenin took over Russia w/a relatively small force due to a disastrous war and the internal rot of the Czar's government. Perhaps Prigozhin believes he can do the same?
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 3:17 pm
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:13 pm to
To be fair, I’m not sure who is calling whose bluff here
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:14 pm to
Prigozhin: “All patriots of Russia, true patriots of the country who know history, and not fans of a weak government that betrayed the interests of the state, take to the streets, we will find weapons. This night we will resolve the issue of traitors and criminals who have dishonored Russia. Their names are Shoigu, Gerasimov.”

This night is going to be epic.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1672336232628592640
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 3:16 pm
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:17 pm to
“Defense Minister of the Russian Federation Shoigu will be hanged on Red Square and will lie in the mausoleum with Lenin” -Prigozhin

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1672337544300703746?s=46
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