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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/14/23 at 5:08 pm to
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 5:08 pm to
Things picked up today.

Russian bombers up and active, last count was 8 moving toward launch zone.

https://twitter.com/olga_pp98

quote:

Olga Honcharenko

18m
8

27m
One more now over Saratov, 7 in total for this moment

33m
Summary for now: 1 Tu-95 prob. flying over the launch zone, 5 more approaching estimated in 40 minutes first's and in an hour +- few minutes last.


A very good review of Russian claims that they are using AI to target and control Lancet loitering munitions by Sam Bendett from the Centre of Naval Analyse. Short answer not likely right now, long answer very likely long term.

It is quite long so I won't post quotes but encourage anyone interested in this development arm of warfare to go read it and several of his other threads on drone warfare capability evolution are great.

https://twitter.com/sambendett/status/1669008642518007809

Looks like there is a disagreement between Chuck Pfarrer and Julian Roepcke, two of least reliable accounts from the Pro-Ukraine camp.

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1669074050780364803

Reasonably short objective analysis on the state of the offensive since it kicked off and what the likely trajectory and challenges Ukraine will face in achieving meaningful results

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/ukraines-counteroffensive-begins-shall-leopards-break-free

On top of the 5 claimed as destroyed earlier Ukraine is claiming they have captured a 152mm MSTA-S SPG. Quite likely this is one of the ones already reported but if another that is an entire artillery battery gone.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1668959494779420675



https://twitter.com/Artur_Micek/status/1669077655889559552

quote:

In the region of the Ukrainian attack near Velyka Novosilka, the AU forces probably captured a damaged or broken Russian 152 mm MSTA gun-howitzer.



Interesting claim from Tartarigami regarding a Russia directive to change friendly markings on military vehicles.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1668978947319640065

quote:

Russian units received new instructions for vehicle markings. According to the guidelines, the markings must be 60 cm long and 20 cm wide, divided into equal halves - red on the left, white on the right.

P.S: It's quite reminiscent of Tommy Hilfiger. What's next? Calvin Klein?




Edit: Clicked submit in error




This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 5:36 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 5:24 pm to
quote:

Sam Bendett from the Centre of Naval Analyse


Very interesting thread, good catch!

I trust we are taking every advantage to learn about drone warfare. A have to admit drone warfare scares the shite out of me. I suppose every new age of soldier has their own long bow, artillery, tank, airplane, etc to deal with.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 5:39 pm to
I can't claim credit though, I found it in Michael Bond's twitter timeline https://twitter.com/HelloMrBond, it's about the fourth or fifth time I have found good technical and/or analysis pertaining to the war since bookmarking him a couple of weeks ago, his channel is worth a look if folks haven't already imo.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:07 pm to
Claimed confirmed losses in last 24 hours on the Velyka Novosilka axis. As noted by Andrew these are not necessarily destroyed today. That's a pretty big chunk of gear if accurate.

https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1669090714305560581

quote:

Confirmed Russian vehicle losses added to the map today are crazy. Granted, not sure when these were destroyed.




Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:22 pm to
Russian soldier gives up to drone

LINK

Posted by LSUnation78
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:37 pm to
The new markings would align with the use of some kind of algorithm for identifying friend/foe since both sides using the same equipment for most part.

Dubious that its a full ai, but some kind of id algorithm wouldnt be that strange
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:40 pm to
Edit: Sorry for the second long post - I separated this from my previous one due to length as the other one was already quite long and this seemed to merit its own.

In answer to Noel's question below - No.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1669038889812516866

quote:

These are reportedly shells provided by the Russian Federation to its fighters. Would you dare to use these?










I also traced it back to where it appears to be taken from, a Russian language telegram account that was created in September '22, which claims to be a:

quote:

Dossier Spy Channel – a telegram channel of an employee of one of the special services. I am among you and know a lot about you.
Any question or wish? Want to share data?


The images are from this post on the 15th of June.

https://t.me/dosye_shpiona/344

quote:

Shoigu! Gerasimov! And here is the ammunition!

Dear subscribers,

To your attention photo ammunition, which are placed at the disposal of units Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on Lugansk direction.

As you understand, times have come alarming, so need a lot of ammunition and « on yesterday ».

You may have noticed that the ammunition itself is slightly rusted. But those responsible from the warehouses assure that the damage occurred during the transportation, because they went off being in perfect condition.

Also, I want to draw your attention to innovative way to transport BC – in bulk. Do not worry, it is completely safe. And it fits more.


Going back over their post history there is a lot of photos of hand written reports claiming to detail Russian losses and other war related information. Even if this is a disinformation account it makes for fascinating, though morbid, reading.

This is an example from 13 September '22

https://t.me/s/dosye_shpiona/26

quote:

Units Western Military District of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation today carry very heavy losses in personnel as a result counteroffenses of the Ukrainian army in the Izyum direction. So at my disposal were lists of the wounded who were transported by air from Belgorod in. Pushkin, Leningrad region. ( 06.09, 09.09, 10.09 ), where RF is one of the most equipped hospitals for receiving the wounded. Such a distant transfer (more than 1000 km) justified by the fact that injuries in affected military personnel are characterized as « heavy » and « very heavy ». In just three days it was transported 206 military personnel.














This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 6:44 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:41 pm to
quote:

The new markings would align with the use of some kind of algorithm for identifying friend/foe since both sides using the same equipment for most part.



This was my first thought as well - a simplified QR code for vehicles.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:05 pm to
This is the 2nd day in a row that no territory has been confirmed to change hands. The offensive appears to have slowed down again significantly, and I wanted to offer my thoughts and see what y'all think.

DISCLAIMER: I never served and have no military expertise. I offer this not in search of praise but to understand -- so that y'all can tell me where I'm right and where I'm wrong.

So far, the offensive has concentrated in two areas: south of Velyka Novosilka and south (and SW) of Orikhiv. Each of these axes got exactly one of the new, Western-equipped mechanized brigades: the 31st and the 47th, respectively, but both of them have been joined with a number of pre-existing units.

South of Orikhiv, the 47th had a disastrous first night, losing a number of Bradleys and Leopards, though many of these were later recovered and can be repaired. Indeed, a number of them seem to have simply detracked by mines, and some of them have probably already returned to the fight.

Since then, though, the 47th has avoided any big losses, and they and their associated units have pushed the Russian front back a bit towards Robotyne and captured the small town of Lobkove. Overall, though, these gains are minor and not worth the loss of vehicles.

On the other axis, south of Velyka Novosilka, the 31st had a bit of a minor breakthrough. They were able to get their AMX-10s past the initial Russian defense and into the forest belt just east of Blahodatne. They took the road through the forest, unseen by Russia, bypassing more Russian defensive positions, to get to the rear and force Russian troops to rapidly retreat to avoid being trapped.

Associated units have taken several small towns near those positions, and they are now slowly advancing in several areas in that sector, after Russia brought in three regiments of reinforcements.



Needless to say, this has been very different from what I expected the offensive to look like. I thought that we'd see something like ten of the new mechanized brigades on the 1st day, with only a couple held in reserve. All the "experts" that I read said things like "the first 24 hours will be critical." They were wrong.

Why has the offensive developed so slowly? I have a number of theories, which are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps all of them are true.

1) Ukraine was under political pressure to begin the offensive, but really believed that they needed more Western weaponry. A slowly-developing offensive means that Ukraine might be able to prosecute this operation while experiencing only a small net loss of materiel, as new equipment comes in to replace losses.

2) The blowing of the Nova Kakhovka dam will create significant opportunities for Ukraine to attack into southern Kherson province in a few weeks. By working slowly and saving most of its combat power, Ukraine preserves those opportunities.

3) The great difficulty will be to break the fortified Russian line, the "Surovikin line," as it is now sometimes called. We have no way to know if Ukraine will be able to break that line, but it may need all the combat power available to succeed. Gen. Syrsky is therefore determined to use as few of his new mechanized brigades as possible until that fateful battle.

4) A slowly-developing offensive allows Ukraine to choke Russian supply lines. Ukraine took Kherson via a logistics operation, and it might do the same now in southern Ukraine. We have seen multiple strikes on Russian railroads and bridges. If Ukraine can starve local units of fuel and ammo, the big battle will be much easier when it happens.

What Gen. Syrsky seems to be doing is keeping his powder dry while using only two new brigades + a number of older units to push the front line in the Velyka Novosilka area up to the main Russian fortified line.

I'm sure that the Russians are trying to establish further fortifications behind that main line, but that's hard to do when the enemy is as close as it is. Indeed, I saw a video earlier today of an FPV drone hitting a Russian mining truck in that sector. And the more reinforcements that Russia tries to bring into that area, the more opportunities there are for Ukrainian artillery to hit them as they move.

I personally think that Gen. Syrsky needs to introduce another of the new mechanized units into that sector. He doesn't want the offensive to be seen as grinding to a halt. Ukraine needs to keep the momentum. But, so far, it looks like the plan is good.

- I still have no idea what Gen. Syrsky is doing around Kupiansk, in the far north of the front. The Russians say that they have seen a huge military buildup there, but nothing happens.

- I think of the operations around Bakhmut as mostly diversionary, but Ukrainian advances there also serve to keep Prigozhin cussing out the Russian MoD. It's helpful to keep damaging Russian morale.

Thoughts?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:14 pm to
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On top of the 5 claimed as destroyed earlier Ukraine is claiming they have captured a 152mm MSTA-S SPG. Quite likely this is one of the ones already reported but if another that is an entire artillery battery gone.



I think it was geolocated to a different place, so yeah, I think that Ukraine has eliminated six MSTA-S SPGs in the last 36 hours.

Ukraine has losses in this sector as well -- I just saw a video of a badly damaged Ukrainian T-72, but overall, the Russians are losing much more.
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:20 pm to
My thoughts:

You may be right with respect to a logistics war. I believe in the south due to geography with respect to the front, that Ukraine hands a logistics advantage. Kherson was a slow advance on logistically depleted forces. A a low drive to the sea is the goal. They don’t need to reach the sea but get it more in range of artillery and they will have to fall back

They are waiting for Russia to commit their reserves and move forces from other theaters. If Russia pulls forces from Karkiv area that big force reports by Russia will be unleashed.

Honestly, I think Ukraine is not looking for a knock out punch but a steady push. Remember they have been fighting the “war” since 2014 and it only ramped up last year. They were patient in Kherson last year where everyone expected the offense. Then jumped at the advantage in Karkiv when Russia redeployed forces out.

Time will tell.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:27 pm to
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It's interesting that the WSJ put that outside of their pay wall.


They released another video today which shows the amazing saga of a Russian soldier surrendering to a drone. It is old footage from last month but IMO it is quite a compelling watch. 7 minutes long:


Youtube
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:43 pm to
Obtuse1 posted the link first.
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 7:46 pm
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:45 pm to
How goes the offensive? I haven’t been following?
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 7:50 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:50 pm to
Isw update

quote:

Key Takeaways

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in at least three directions and made gains on June 14.

Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces struck a division of the 20th Combined Arms Army (Western Military District) near Kreminna, Luhansk Oblast while they were waiting for the commander of the 20th CAA to give a speech, prompting typical discontent among milbloggers about Russian commanders.

Russian sources disseminated conflicting reports about the condition of Russian Duma Deputy and Commander of the Chechen Rosgvardia branch, Adam Delimkhanov, on June 14. ISW has not observed any visual evidence to confirm or deny the contradictory claims about Delimkhanov’s condition.

Russian forces conducted missile and drone strikes across Ukraine on June 14.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks in the Kupyansk direction and south of Kreminna.

Ukrainian and Russian forces continued ground attacks in the Bakhmut area.

Russian forces continued limited ground attacks on the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near the administrative border of Donetsk and Zaporizhia oblasts and reportedly made gains in this area as of June 14.

Ukrainian forces continued limited ground attacks in western Zaporizhia Oblast on June 14.

Satellite imagery suggests that Russian helicopters defending against Ukrainian counteroffensive operations in southern Ukraine are likely deployed to an airfield in Berdyansk, Zaporizhia Oblast.

A Russian State Duma bill aimed at raising the conscription age suggests that the Kremlin may be aiming to shield specific generations from the demographic and social impacts of the war in Ukraine.

Russian occupation authorities continue efforts to consolidate economic control of occupied territories.
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

How goes the offensive?


Slow. Not much action the past two days
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

They released another video today which shows the amazing saga of a Russian soldier surrendering to a drone. It is old footage from last month but IMO it is quite a compelling watch. 7 minutes long:


That was confirmed to be legit?

The Russian dude probably aged 10 years in that hour long trek.
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:55 pm to
quote:

How does the offensive? I haven’t been following?


It's slowed for now. Russia seems to be taking heavier than normal losses for an army playing defense. Some speculation that Ukraine still has a strong force in reserve and is biding its time deciding where to commit them. A lot of fury in Russia over an incident where around 250 troops were brought together for 2 hours before being thrown into a counter attack. Maybe waiting for a speech from a big wheel. Ukraine noticed and lit them up with around 200 casualties.
Posted by El Mattadorr
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:56 pm to
quote:

Konrad Muzyka sent another email update, with some maps and unit information:



This is great. How can I get on that email list?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 7:57 pm to
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