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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/8/23 at 4:50 pm to LookSquirrel
Posted on 6/8/23 at 4:50 pm to LookSquirrel
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Have any suggestions, that aren't too graphic, if you don't mind?
Don’t you have some flat earth meeting to attend?
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 4:54 pm to beerJeep
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Don’t you have some flat earth meeting to attend?
Nope. That's on Tuesdays. Tonight, is Star Fort night.
ETA; I had forgotten, you're that guy from one of the Liberator threads.
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 6/8/23 at 4:55 pm to LSUPilot07
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do wonder why Ukrainians with NATO training, albeit a quick training, would have their armor so tightly packed together when they know they don’t have the same number in planes or artillery as the Russians. Not a tanker so maybe one of our guys on here could explain but it seems to me that would be right around lesson #1 in how not to get blown up. Losses are to be expected but there’s no reason they should be that close together. That’s a pure…..Russian move……
They have roughly 70 years of Soviet influence in their ranks. That’s tough to overcome in a few months.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 5:15 pm to Hateradedrink
The goal for Ukraine is to have the capability to not culminate. They could have thrown a big punch 60 days ago but to prevent a protracted hot war and the cycle of hit, culminate, hit, culminate, they need constant steady pressure everywhere they can apply it.
I get the impatience but it takes time to get the capability there and a system of resupply.
It takes time and training. But driving shite to the front in station wagons like they were doing last year isn’t going to work.
I get the impatience but it takes time to get the capability there and a system of resupply.
It takes time and training. But driving shite to the front in station wagons like they were doing last year isn’t going to work.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 5:54 pm to Lakeboy7
From what I can see of course the missile and drone strikes on civilian areas are a big issue for Ukraine but as far as just on the battlefield the only weapon I can see that Russia has that even remotely causes a problem for Ukraine is not the difference in aircraft, although that is one area, but rather it is the Lancet drones. If Ukraine can neutralize them that would go a very long way to degrading Russia’s precision strike ability.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 5:59 pm to Lakeboy7
I completely agree. That’s why I think if this culminates, that’s it.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:03 pm to Hateradedrink
LINK
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Reports that 4 Russian Mig-31K jets have taken off. They carry Kinzhal hypersonic missiles.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:03 pm to Hateradedrink
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You kinda get the feeling that wherever the lines end up after these operations from Ukraine have culminated, is where they will stay.
You know, I have previously believed that. I have said that I believed that this offensive was Ukraine's one chance, and that if it failed, that we would end up with a frozen conflict.
Now, I think that Ukraine is going to get one more chance later in the fall. They have the Abrams coming, they are getting over 100 Leopard 1 tanks this summer, they have another 40 or so upgraded T-72s coming from our Czech purchase, and they're getting F-16s (and maybe ATACMS).
If this offensive fails, Ukraine should still be able to put together one more major attempt before the military aid runs out.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:04 pm to Hateradedrink
Not it, but it will drag for years.
The funding is there long term and the will but the whole movement piece is new to them.
The funding is there long term and the will but the whole movement piece is new to them.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:05 pm to Hateradedrink
More on the dam and definitely points to Russia blowing it.
Link has photos
LINK also with photos
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I looked a bit into the construction of the Nova Kakhovka dam in the early 1950s... turns out the dam was specifically designed to withstand direct hits (!) by US Air Force strategic bombing.
Ukraine doesn't have anything remotely capable to blow up this massive concrete
Link has photos
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construction. The only spot, where you could blow up this massive dam was where turbine hall and spill dam met... and the russians controlled that section since March 2022.
I am sure the US will release proof the russian blew the dam up later today or tomorrow.
LINK also with photos
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
I’m thinking Russia sues for peace after f16s start shooting down strategic bombers.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:07 pm to CitizenK
It was unquestionably Russia. If you don’t believe that you’re either a bot or a troll.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:14 pm to CitizenK
Yes. This is why people saying it could have been Ukraine or Russia that accident blew the dam are wrong. The face of that dam could take ridiculous amounts of 155 mm or 152mm artillery shells and it would just smile and ask for more. The only way it blows the way it did were by precisely placed heavy duty explosives. And honestly who really thinks this isn’t right up the Russian's alley? They are truly just scum of the earth that don’t give a shite about the environmental or the human toll blowing that dam would take. I used to try to separate Putin from the Russian people but now it’s just not possible. They are either complacent or just too ignorant to know better and all they understand is force. It’s now time for the world to show them what true force is and bring them to their knees then let them sort out their country after it has been crippled militarily and economically. You would think a country the size of Russia would be happy with all the land they have but they are like Hitler and the nazis in that it will never be enough. As long as they are allowed to take take take they will gladly do so. You’d think those people would just fricking blow Putin’s head off and be done with this mess but he’s like their messiah they will blindly follow him all the way to hell.
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:41 pm to LSUPilot07
Isw update
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Key Takeaways
Ukraine has conducted counteroffensive operations with differential outcomes in at least three sectors of the front as part of wider counteroffensive efforts that have been unfolding since Sunday, June 4.
Ukrainian forces conducted a limited but still significant attack in western Zaporizhia Oblast on the night of June 7 to 8. Russian forces apparently defended against this attack in a doctrinally sound manner and had reportedly regained their initial positions as of June 8.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) responded to the Ukrainian attack with an uncharacteristic degree of coherency and praised Southern Military District elements for repelling the attack and regaining lost positions.
Russian sources provided explanations for claimed Russian successes during the June 8 attacks, praising Russian forces’ effective use of electronic warfare (EW) systems, air support, and landmines against Ukrainian forces.
Russian forces appear to have executed their formal tactical defensive doctrine in response to the Ukrainian attacks southwest of Orikhiv.
Ukrainian attacks in western Zaporizhia on June 8 do not represent the full extent of Ukrainian capabilities in the current counteroffensive.
It is additionally noteworthy that the Russian Southern Military District Forces deployed in this particular area are likely to be a higher quality force grouping than Russia has elsewhere in theater, and their defensive performance is unlikely to be reflective of defensive capabilities of Russian groupings elsewhere on the front.
Russian forces and occupation authorities continue to exacerbate the humanitarian ramifications of the flooding resulting from the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (KHPP) dam break.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly postponed his annual press conference from June 2023 until November or December 2023.
Russian forces continued to conduct limited ground attacks on the Kupyansk-Svatove line and around Kreminna.
Ukrainian forces made limited gains around Bakhmut, and Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
Ukrainian forces continued to conduct limited ground attacks on the administrative border between Donetsk and Zaporizhia oblasts.
The Russian MoD continues to posture itself as a firm authority over the defense industrial base (DIB) through emphasizing its ability to transport new equipment to the front.
Russian occupation authorities are reportedly resorting to punitive measures against civilian populations in occupied Ukraine due to Russian occupation authorities’ decreasing influence over civilians.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:54 pm to LeClerc
Correct. The Putinists flooded their downriver defensive structures beneath the dam because they were terrified that the Ukrainians would cross the river into their fortified positions. The Putinists were shitting themselves so the blew up the dam. However I do believe the Ukrainians could have easily blown the dam with an underwater mine if they had wanted to but they didn’t and would never do something like that.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:02 pm to BrainKellyRespecter
Tell us more about these underwater mines that would be strong enough to blow up this dam
Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:04 pm to BrainKellyRespecter
Do us a favor. Find one of those mines and step on it please. Thanks.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:10 pm to notiger1997
The Ukraine Navy Submersible Division could have done it but it would have been a very sophisticated operation. They would have had to place a submersible explosive of sufficient size into the Dnipro river upstream of the dam.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:12 pm to Hateradedrink
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I’m thinking Russia sues for peace after f16s start shooting down strategic bombers
CW Lemoine (F-16 pilot, Louisiana boy…) did a brief discussion in his mailbag on this one, thinks SAM sites are too prevalent for F-16’s to be much of a game changer.
YouTube
Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:15 pm to BrainKellyRespecter
quote:underwater mines to go with their underground nazi salt mines
underwater mine
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