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Posted on 6/9/23 at 7:36 am to
Posted by ticklechain
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 7:36 am to
Honestly, I don't know how you can tell who that is or what they are doing. It could be about twenty different things
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 7:53 am to
Not a particularly fun photo to look at:


Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 7:56 am to
The word escalation gets thrown around a lot, but this is escalation.

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The deployment of Russian (tactical) nuclear weapons in Belarus will begin immediately after the completion of the preparation of facilities for it on July 7-8 — Vladimir Putin at a meeting with Alexander Lukashenko.
@kommersant
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 7:56 am to
This looks like it was from that video that appeared at the onset a couple of days ago. There was a cluster of vehicles on a road, but the resolution was so bad you couldn’t make anything definite out of it. Now you can.

What source was this from?
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 7:58 am
Posted by ColtRange
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:01 am to
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This looks like it was from that video that appeared at the onset a couple of days ago. There was a cluster of vehicles on a road, but the resolution was so bad you couldn’t make anything definite out of it. Now you can.

What source was this from?



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Ukrainian forces abandoned one Leopard 2A6, four M2 Bradleys (three of which damaged) and one BMR-2 Mine-Clearing Tank during an attack in the Zaporizhzia Region.

@oryxspioenkop

LINK

I think this is the video?

Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:04 am to
It's a still from this video on Telegram: LINK
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:14 am to
Watching the video, it looks like they ran into a minefield.

I said recently that the biggest issue was going to be the mines. So far that looks to be the case.

Several of the vehicles in that video have broken tracks, indicative of a mine explosion. If thats the only damage then those are fixable.

Also in the video there is a mine clearing vehicle just above the leo and 2 of the Bradleys, can't tell from the video if its damaged.

Earlier in the video 1:06 there is part of the mechanism of a breaching plow without the tank attached.

That arty fire is intense...Russians have had plenty of time to pre plan arty strike locations.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 8:18 am
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:19 am to
Ukraine can’t afford to send their best equipment out there as artillery bait. If that’s what their plan is the NATO support will dry up quickly. No one wants to see their best military equipment senselessly destroyed. I’m starting to think maybe pivoting north again might be the better move at least for image purposes. They need to take ground wherever that allows and it’s clear the Russians are defended thickest in the Zap region, especially since they can bring troops from the south up now that the dam has been blown. You can’t send 4 Bradley’s and one of your few Leo 2A6 tanks to just get blasted without ever getting the chance to return fire. Also they need to get their asses back there and retrieve that Leopard. From what I can see it isn’t damaged beyond repair and one of the Bradley’s looks to be salvageable as well.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 8:22 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:22 am to
Another mine damaged Leopard.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1667148966893346817
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Footage of a Leopard 2A4 tank, damaged during hostilities in the Zaporizhzia region.

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This is a higher quality video. Looks like it hit a mine and the damage to the tracks is only minor.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:27 am to
Are there any updates on the air war? It seems there’s never much mentioned about it. You’d think with the Ukrainian offensive underway there would be a lot of activity on that front ranging from recon, SAM suppression (Wild Wiesel), ground interdiction, especially strikes on Russian artillery. And as for the Russians, you’d think they’d be doing thing like ground strikes against the Ukrainian offensive concentrations, artillery emplacements, logistics trains, and defending against what the Ukrainians are trying to do.

Anyone hearing anything?
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 8:29 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:28 am to
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Ukraine can’t afford to send their best equipment out there as artillery bait.


Not as bait -- they are making serious attempts to break Russian lines. Ukraine is very much following OPSEC, and, for all we know, they may have already broken through on another section of the front.

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they can bring troops from the south up now that the dam has been blown


I did read one analysis this morning that said that the dam destruction should free up one full Russian brigade to redeploy to the Zaporizhzhia front.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:29 am to
I haven't seen anything of substance about the air war.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:31 am to
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I haven't seen anything of substance about the air war.


Yep. I find that odd. One of the critical aspects of any combined arms offensive, especially one on this scale, is the air war. But it’s like both sides have forgotten than.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:35 am to
The Ukraine Conflict Monitor (anyone can subscribe to it) published this summary of the impact of the dam on combat operations this morning. Its long.

https://rochanconsulting.substack.com/

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Ukraine Conflict Monitor
The military situation in the Kherson Oblast after the collapse of the Nova Kakhovka Dam
KONRAD MUZYKA
JUN 9

BLUF: The destruction of the Nova Khakovka dam and subsequent Dnipro’s overflows halt Ukrainian operations in the Kherson Direction and free up some Russian forces that could be deployed to more pressing areas.

In the early morning hours of 6JUL, the Kakhovka Dam failed. It is unclear whether its destruction occurred due to structural failures as Russia-controlled forces increased water levels in the Kakhovka Reservoir for months prior to the event or whether the dam was intentionally destroyed.

Regardless of what the cause was od the dam's failure was, the subsequent uncontrolled water flow downstream will change the hydrological situation and the topography in the region, at least over the next few months. It, in turn, will impact both sides' operations in the Kherson Oblast.

Prospects of a river-crossing operation before 6JUN

Many argued that a Ukrainian river-crossing operation across Dnipro had always been a low-probability event. We are unlikely ever to know whether Kyiv seriously contemplated conducting such a complex and risky operation. However, over the last few months, Ukrainian units stationed on Dnipro's right bank increased artillery attacks on Russian targets in occupied territories to force them to pull back from the river bank and/or constantly change their deployment areas to avoid being hit by Ukrainian artillery. According to the Ukrainian Operational Command "South", these efforts were partly successful.



At the same time, the tempo of Ukrainian SOF infiltration operations on the Dnipro Delta islands increased. Regular Ukrainian formations also recaptured some land on the Ostriv Velykyi Island. Reports also suggested that in some instances, Ukrainians established footholds on Dnipro's left bank, opposite Zabaryne.

We do not know whether these Ukrainian operations had a fixing character, forcing Russians to maintain a more or less robust military presence in the region, or as stated above, they were battle-shaping operations in anticipation of a counterattack across the Dnipro.

The demise of the Kakhovka Dam now forces Russia and Ukraine to move deeper inland in their respective areas and, at least temporarily, forces Ukraine to abandon its operations, including SOF raids and reconnaissance-in-force. Prospects of a Ukrainian cross-river attack are now also non-existent.

Analysis of the causes and effects of the destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam

The hydrographic situation before the dam's destruction forced Russia to maintain forces capable of stopping any potential Ukrainian actions in that direction.

The conditions allowed Ukrainian light subunits to cross the Dnieper River, intending to liberate key areas to facilitate further offensive operations towards Kherson and Crimea.

The terrain conditions allowed operations to be conducted along three designated directions, AA-1, AA-2, and AA-3. The success would depend on capturing these three key areas.





However, assessing the potential of the units deployed in that direction, one can conclude that the Ukrainian side did not have sufficient forces to cross the Dnieper River. Therefore, the likely objective of the Ukrainian units was to engage and tie down Russian troops in the Kherson direction. To achieve this, Ukrainians conducted special operations, raids, reconnaissance, and artillery strike missions.




The dam's destruction limits the maneuverability of any forces in the Kherson direction and renders the area unusable for military operations, likely for four to eight weeks. As a result, Moscow no longer needs to maintain the previous level of military presence in the area, which task was to prevent Ukrainian units from crossing the Dnipro River.

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To summarise, as a result of the dam's destruction, Ukraianine is at least temporarily unable to tie down Russian units in the Kherson direction. Russia can thus redeploy elements of one airborne division, which likely served as the operational reserve in case of a potential Ukrainian offensive in the area. Other forces under the command of the 22nd Army Corps may also be relocated.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 8:37 am
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:41 am to
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The Russian army has a long-held reputation for stoic defense going back to the Napoleonic Wars. They tend to struggle with offensive operations.




I've been saying this since February 2022, Russia sucks at offensive warfare
Posted by Hateradedrink
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:46 am to
If this were a Tom Clancy novel, the dam would have been blown by the US to prevent UA from making a river crossing that the US didn’t want them to make
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:51 am to
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What source was this from


I've seen several osnit accounts posting it so it's making the rounds for sure.

But for all the bluster from Russia we got 1 picture. Take that as you will though
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:52 am to
It’s a balancing act as far as I can see. Russia is using their aviation advantage more now than they ever have. Why they waited that long who the hell knows. They are Russians after all. Not the sharpest knives in the drawer. But it’s the Lancet drones that are the big enemy to Ukraine bringing their best AA defenses up closer to the front lines. One destroyed an IRIS-T radar yesterday. That’s an expensive piece of equipment for a cheap drone to take out.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 8:53 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:01 am to
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Ukraine doesn't have anything remotely capable to blow up this massive concrete
Just another painfully stupid posit by a random twitter mouthpiece.

Ukraine has drone subs. They are essentially self-guided torpedoes with large warheads. But as Ukraine holds positions up river, this needn't have involved anything nearly so sophisticated. It could be a fairly low tech matter of using current, water, nighttime cover, and low tech propulsion/guidance to maneuver dam busting explosives down river until they lodged against the structure and were detonated.

Now just because they could, doesn't mean they did. But it does speak to the incredible level of nonsense parroted by and about both sides.

If the premise is, it would have been easier for Russia to blow the dam, that's obviously 100% correct. The question is why would they? Just as it was the question with Nord Stream.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 9:02 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:08 am to
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The question is why would they?


See my post a few back about the why
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