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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:05 am to
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:05 am to
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the HIMARS strike on the Russian troops who had clustered at the rear.


They just got the anti personnel configuration, about 180,00 0 tungsten balls go boom. Very effective.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:10 am to
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I may be one of the few who will say this but I almost always preferred having AH-64s for CAS assuming they could get there at the same time as a Hog. First is best but outside of time especially infantry vs infantry I would rather have the rotorheads. The Apache is more of a scalpel and the A-10 is more of a sledgehammer and I like the former, especially for danger close missions and grunt vs grunt requires a lot of that.


I preferred A-10 in rural areas and 64’s in more condensed / urban areas.

Hajj pretty much always quit when we brought the hogs in. 64’s were so fast and so stealthy that Hajj never had a chance in populated areas. They could see them coming out on the farms and desert.

64 pilots could be, ah, difficult sometimes as well.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 10:12 am
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:23 am to
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The A10, while beloved by ground troops and the pilots that fly them (you can’t convince them a better bird has ever taken to the skies), would get demolished in this war in short order.

I believe the Russian version of the A10, the Su25 Frogfoot, is pretty high up on the list of aircraft that Ukraine has shot down during this war. Kinda drives home your assessment. I think the only other aircraft that they've lost more of (according to Oryx) is the Ka52 Alligator attack helicopter.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 11:16 am to
I don't think the survivability of any piloted airframe is possible over the battlefield, you don't see very many CAS missions being conducted by planes or helos in this war.

All the video shows the use of standoff weapons like unguided missles and JDAM type which can be released behind the front.

Drones are the new CAS mechanism.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 11:31 am to
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Drones are the new CAS mechanism.


Exactly what a retired A-10 squadron commander told me a year ago. The exception is that he recommended drone swarms like the interactive ones the US has shown to have. FAR less expensive.

Per him, A-10's were accepted as a one way mission in the original need to defend against a USSR invasion of West Germany. They don't do well until air superiority is achieved otherwise.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 11:50 am to
I should have clarified, small drones like what we've seen Ukraine using to great effect, are the new CAS. Large drones like the Reaper or Bayraktar TB2 can't survive over the battlefield either.

Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 11:57 am to
Right, I would assume that future CAS would be small, cheap expendable drones. Makes sense.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 12:22 pm to
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Image circulating throughout Telegram showing an ADM-160B MALD (Miniature Air-Launched Decoy) decoy missile found in central Luhansk.

The ADM-160B MALD main payload is a Northrop Grumman SAS which allows the decoy missile to simulate any aircraft in the U.S. inventory.

Note: it can actually simulate ANY aircraft, not just US aircraft.




Reference photo from Wikipedia:

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 5/12/23 at 12:30 pm to
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Two strikes on the occupied city of Luhansk, which is well outside HIMARS range. Perhaps the first use of the Storm Shadow missiles? Major Russian military HQ is based there. Photo from local social media.




Another photo of the Luhansk strike:



Here's a video: LINK



LINK

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Some Ukrainian and Russian channels are stating there were two impacts - one at a fuel tank farm in the South of the city, and one at the Poly-Pak factory that the Russian army was using to store/repair equipment.
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Huge explosion.. there was a 4 story building where that gaping hole is now.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 12:38 pm to
Is Prigozhin doing multiple videos a day now?

LINK

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In his latest verbal attack, Prigozhin tells the Russian Defence Ministry to "stop lying immediately" and says its actions will lead to a "global tragedy for Russia"
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 12:52 pm to
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Is Prigozhin doing multiple videos a day now?


Just how heavy is this dude's security team? Seems like he's begging to accidentally fall out of the 30th floor of a hotel.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:04 pm to
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Huge explosion.. there was a 4 story building where that gaping hole is now.
Dayum. Gotta think there were some explosives stored in that building. But from the video it seems that there was little damage to surrounding buildings. Did most of the blast go straight up?
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24238 posts
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:32 pm to
Interesting theory here that makes some sense:
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On the face of it, these targets don't appear to be particularly high value. However if we take Wallace at his word, the integration with UA airframes hadn't actually been live tested yet. Combine this with the appearance of the ADM-160 decoy, and this was likely a test run.

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Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:37 pm to
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this was likely a test run.


Lots of things getting tested.

Its easy to talk about reconfiguring an airframe, but its a new armament system, new bomb racks, new wiring and a new brain. Then the pilots have to try it out.

I think the Ukrainians are planning on using their planes selectively. Especially with JDAMS.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 1:49 pm
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24238 posts
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:46 pm to
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Lots of things getting tested.

Mental strain on the Russian soldiers is certainly being tested lately. The amount of suicides filmed and posted online recently has seen a big uptick.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:51 pm to
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Mental strain on the Russian soldiers is certainly being tested lately


Anxiety is one of the oldest weapons known to man.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
26948 posts
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:58 pm to
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Anxiety is one of the oldest weapons known to man.


I have a feeling that even as cut off from communication as they are the average Russian on the front lines knows something is coming soon.

The question is where and when? It might be easier knowing that the Ukrainians were going to open hell itself on your position than sit there day after day not knowing.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:59 pm to
This is about right. I posted yesterday that I was concerned about how many Storm Shadow would actually get through to their targets, because it's a missile that Russian CAN shoot down.

With MALD decoy missiles confusing Russian air defense, I'm much more confident. It speaks to the coordination between the US and the UK that there was a plan to optimize Storm Shadow's success.

Kerch is toast.

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4339 posts
Posted on 5/12/23 at 2:28 pm to
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CAPE TOWN, South Africa (AP) — The U. S. ambassador to South Africa accused the country Thursday of providing weapons to Russia via a cargo ship that docked secretly at a naval base near the city of Cape Town for three days in December. South African President Cyril Ramaphosa said an investigation was underway.

There are Sanctions and then there is Hard Ball. The kind that Western governments practice. Ramaphosa is about to learn the difference. I hope he’s taking notes.

The ANC can inflict ten-hour electrical power blackouts almost every day this year, yet the international media couldn’t care less. Not news worthy. After all, it’s Africa, what do you expect…? But break the international sanctions and sell arms directly to Russia, and the hounds are loosed. This video is just the first of many international reports to come, all attacking the corrupt ANC and the lack of control in the economy.

Notice the Americans are using the BBC to avoid blame and there are well-spoken, local young black female reporters laying blame directly on the ANC. So accusations of racism are deflected.

All making future overseas investors look elsewhere and convincing current investors to pull out of South Africa. Since the tax revenue of South Africa has not covered government direct spending (State welfare grants) since 2014, the ANC has depended on these bonds sold to overseas buyers. The service (interest payments) on this debt is now so high that most of the new bond issues must go to just paying off older bonds. So… if someone would be pissed off at the ANC, they might think about leveraging these interest payments to increase due to forex changes. And increase greatly. The initial result of that will be the Rand devaluing significantly and very quickly. Oh. Wait…

52 Week Range Rand to US$ is 15.1685 to 19.5148. My granddaughter tells me that's 28%. Oh my.

This ain’t going away Cyril.

Why the lights are going out in South Africa - BBC News

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Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8599 posts
Posted on 5/12/23 at 3:19 pm to
Yeah any CAS aircraft is getting demolished right now. Both sides have lost a lot of Su-25 Frogfoots but Russia has lost a shitload of them. They have lost in the very least 40% of their entire Ka-52 Alligator fleet and that is just visually confirmed losses. There could be many more that haven’t been verified by either crashing or being hit but making it back to base but the chopper may never fly again. They could easily have lost upwards of 50-60% of their entire attack helicopter capability. This war has changed the way future conflicts will be fought for years to come.
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