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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:13 pm to
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8665 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:13 pm to
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Just because you feel strongly about something doesn't mean it's worth dying for, or that your life/death provided value.


Kids in this country kill each other on a daily basis because they think someone disrespected them in real life or on social media and those deaths are for nothing. This young man died for what he believed in, and his sacrifice for what’s right in the world definitely has value IMO.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:24 pm to
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What a waste of a life.


Talking into a mirror again?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:26 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways

Ukrainian forces conducted successful limited counterattacks around Bakhmut on May 9.

Pervasive issues with Russian combat capabilities, exacerbated by continued attritional assaults in the Bakhmut area, are likely considerably constraining the ability of Russian forces in this area to defend against localized Ukrainian counterattacks.

Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces struck a command center where Ukrainian military commanders and officials were located, likely to support an ongoing effort to frame Russian operations as constraining Ukrainian capabilities to launch a counteroffensive.

The US Department of Defense (DoD) confirmed that Ukrainian forces successfully shot down a Russian missile using the Patriot missile defense system. The Biden administration also announced a new $1.2 billion military aid package to Ukraine.

Russian forces conducted ground attacks in the Kupyansk and Kreminna areas.

Russian and Wagner Group forces continued offensive operations in and around Bakhmut on May 10, despite Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin’s previous threat that Wagner would withdraw from the area at midnight.

Russian forces continued limited offensive operations along the Avdiivka-Donetsk front.

Russian forces conducted airstrikes on Ukrainian positions in Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts.

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed an annual decree calling up citizens from reserves for military training.

Russian occupation authorities are continuing the removal of Ukrainian residents from their homes in occupied areas under the guise of humanitarian evacuations.


I think this one needed some more info

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constraining Ukrainian capabilities to launch a counteroffensive. Russian milbloggers claimed on May 10 that Russian forces struck the command post near Chasiv Yar (12km west of Bakhmut), killing Ukrainian Chief Advisor to the Directorate for Domestic and Humanitarian Policy Alexei Titarenko.[11] Russian milbloggers speculated that the strike may have killed other high-ranking Ukrainian commanders and officials and stated that the strike has prompted completely unsubstantiated rumors, which Ukrainian officials have explicitly denied, that it killed Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces General Valery Zaluzhnyi.[12] Milbloggers acknowledged that the strike likely did not kill Zaluzhnyi but argued that it may be affecting his decisions to attend certain events.[13] Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar stated that all the Ukrainian commanders in question are alive and that claims about the killing of Ukrainian commanders are a part of a Russian information operation aimed at degrading Ukrainian morale.[14] ISW assessed that Russian ultranationalists recently claimed that Russian forces struck a vehicle carrying Ukrainian Territorial Defense Forces Commander General Ihor Tantsyura to frame Russian operations as limiting Ukrainian abilities to conduct counterattacks in the Bakhmut area.[15] Russian sources have also largely framed increasingly routine series of Russian air and missile strikes as similarly constraining potential upcoming Ukrainian counteroffensive operations.[16] There is no evidence to support these Russian claims.
Posted by BRHSBulldog
Member since Aug 2015
33 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:27 pm to
Sad to see such a young life end. Also inspiring that he gave so much to help. Many live a long time and never contribute as much as did.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:28 pm to
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Plus, there's only so many ways to get into Crimea (which I understand works both ways). I don't see Ukraine pulling off a massive amphibious landing from the sea, so Russia basically has to defend two points and hope their missile defense is up to the task at Kerch.


Does Ukraine have enough boats for amphibious assault to be plausible? If so, would it make sense to feint one to draw Russian troops to the west and further away from advancing Ukrainian troops to the northeast of Crimea to aid the offensive, assuming an offensive moving south to Melitopol and potentially then marching west towards Mariupol?

Just a thought that hit me as I read your comment.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65770 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:31 pm to
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Kids in this country kill each other on a daily basis because they think someone disrespected them in real life or on social media and those deaths are for nothing.


Yes, those deaths also are meaningless.
Posted by FlintEastwood
Member since Apr 2023
74 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:49 pm to
This is what they're claiming is a Kinzhal?



Link

Actual Kinzhal





Are y'all seriously buying this bullshite? It looks like a BETAB-500 concrete piercing bomb.



This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 7:51 pm
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38448 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:12 pm to
Looks a lot like your moms dildo
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150130 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:27 pm to
Just like ashli babbits
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61723 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:34 pm to
LOL
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8165 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:38 pm to
I agree that does look very different
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

This is what they're claiming is a Kinzhal?



The US has technical readout data from the Patriot that confirms that it intercepted a Kinzhal.
Posted by Philzilla
Member since Nov 2011
2214 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:42 pm to
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WestCoastAg

Upvotes yourself? Queer.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:43 pm to
Twitter - @John_A_Ridge



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Regarding questions about the geometry of the debris not matching Kinzhal's nose section. Per
@AndreiBtvt
, it seems this debris is not the nose of the missile, rather it is the warhead itself. Overall, it seems similar to the BETAB-500ShP, a 500 kg anti-concrete bomb.


quote:

To clarify, it seems that Kinzhal's warhead is directly derived from the BETAB-500ShP, a 500 kg parachute-retarded anti-concrete bomb, sans the parachute compartment.


This makes sense - the outer body of the missile would have been destroyed or ripped off when intercepted or hitting the ground, the solid penetrator would much more likely have withstood such impacts.

This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 8:46 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150130 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:44 pm to
Just making the simple point that her death might be the most inconsequential death of all time
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8165 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:45 pm to
It is possible for both to be true…patriot shot one down, and Ukraine is displaying something else because they don’t have it anymore…we do. The wreckage they are displaying dosent look like one to me…maybe there are other pics…I will go look.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:53 pm to
From the Twitter account used by @John_A Ridge for the image I post a few post up.

Twitter - @Andre_bt


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There is no outward resemblance of the warhead located INSIDE the body of the Kinzhal missile with the most OUTER form of the rocket and there should not be.




quote:

Reminder. The previous incident on September 14, 2022 with the fallen "Dagger" in the Stavropol Territory.



Google translate isn't great but he is essentially claiming that it is the warhead inside the missile on display not the missile itself

quote:

It is a warhead of kin Zak, not the missile


Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 8:54 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8165 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:55 pm to
Thanks for posting. That clears it up.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:58 pm to
quote:

With the Ukrainian offensive looming, now would be a good time to share sources.

This is my list of sources on Twitter for news on the war. I have a bunch of Russian sources on Telegram as well, but I haven't taken the time to put them into a sheet. I'll try to get around to doing so.

If any of you have good sources for info, please post them in the thread. I will add your contributions to the list


Thank you for this, you had a few that I hadn't come across before and I appreciate new sources, sorry I didn't reply earlier the missile debate side tracked me as did the goat stew I am making ^.^
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8165 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 9:07 pm to
You are welcome.

I surf all these accounts every day. For the last few months there has been a lot of repetition and retweeting. Because I’ve surfed the war for so long twitter’s algorithms have noticed and serve me up all kinds of Ukraine related tweets. It’s is pretty easy to differentiate between good sources and bots. The Russian content on twitter sucks compared to Telegram. The Russians prefer Telegram, there is a LOT of Russian content on Telegram.
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