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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/11/23 at 6:41 am to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 6:41 am to
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That seems like a totally reasonable request...


Could you say why this is unreasonable as a request? Not should the US fill it or not, but why the request itself is unreasonable?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 7:35 am to
Wtf? Not sure what you are ranting about or even which side your ranting in support of.

Drunk at 3am maybe?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 7:40 am to
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Prigozhin confirms that regular RuAF troops have taken over both flanks for Wagner to let the PMC concentrate on finishing up in Bakhmut, says 80% of the city is now under Russian control, mostly residential areas & tunnels that have been turned into strongpoints by the AFU.


LINK

Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:31 am to
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It's not new. I remember that photo from a couple of weeks ago.



I should say, though, that TexasForever's point is valid: Russia is still advancing in the center of Bakhmut.

Now, it's happening slowly. At the current pace, Russia is still weeks away from completing its capture of the city. Fighting to defend the city is largely a political decision, however, and Zelensky could reverse that decision any time and withdraw.

Russia's progress is also only coming with substantial Russian reinforcement of Wagner. Prigozhin wanted to capture Bakhmut by himself and get all the glory, and that's not going to be the case.

As I said a week ago, I think neither side is thrilled with how the Battle of Bakhmut is progressing, but both sides are satisfied. Ukraine stabilized its flanks, prevented encirclement, and is forcing Russia to take the city the hard way, block by block, while significantly degrading Wagner and other elite Russian units. Russia is continuing to make progress in taking the city and will soon be able to celebrate its full capture.
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 8:33 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:42 am to
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We should be doing everything we can to make sure that the offensive is successful. That doesn't include weakening our own defensive posture. Give them any of our old stuff that we've retired.


I have personally fretted that I don't know and media sources can't do all the math to inform me how much money is left in drawdown authority and in the USAI. But I have been forgetting that this really isn't the issue, because of the Lend-Lease authority that Congress passed.

We the budget runs out for US aid to Ukraine (and assuming no further aid passes Congress), we can still continue to give Ukraine what they need through Lend-Lease, with the understanding that they will pay it back later.

Politico explored that topic yesterday: LINK

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“We are prioritizing security assistance that they would not have to pay us back for,” a senior administration official said on the condition of anonymity to detail sensitive internal discussions. However, the official added that the administration is “certainly open to using it in the future.” The focus right now is on “other existing authorities that Congress has authorized.”

Another reason for keeping Lend-Lease in the back pocket could be because there’s currently bipartisan support for sending weapons to Ukraine. Should Republican resistance grow, or popular sentiment turn against the war, then it’d make sense to use Lend-Lease to work around legislative efforts to block future weapons deliveries, said a Democratic congressional aide who was granted anonymity to speak freely about the party’s thinking.

Whatever the rationale, some lawmakers aren’t satisfied that the Lend-Lease option remains unused. “As our defense stockpiles dwindle, it’s absurd for the Biden administration to sit on its hands and ignore the Lend-Lease authority from Congress,” Sen. JOHN CORNYN (R-Texas), who led the effort to pass the legislation, told NatSec Daily. Using Lend-Lease is “a much better plan than continuing to give them away for free.”

Questions are swirling within the White House and Congress about why the administration won’t pull the Lend-Lease lever. Doing so would mollify critics that the U.S. is giving away too much to Ukraine. But others say that Lend-Lease wouldn’t address the problem of America’s dwindling weapons stockpile — if anything, it might make that problem worse by incentivizing the transfer of scarce weapons to Ukraine.

But to hear the administration tell it, Ukraine has what it needs for this stage of the war, and it will get more weapons and equipment if facts on the ground change.


Huh. If Ukraine has what it needs, then the spring offensive will be successful and reach the Sea of Azov by midsummer. "Ukraine has what it needs" is certainly VERY different from that February assessment that we discussed that predicted that the spring offensive would only make small gains.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:51 am to
The proof is in the pudding. Talk is cheap, but in due time we will see what’s real and what is make believe.

We also need to think about this; if Ukraine is smart and they know what they need to do then any offensive plans would have to be based on what men and material they have in hand, right?
It would do no good to make plans with men they don’t have, or weapons they lack. It would be better to hold the line than try a Hail Mary.

What if there is no counteroffensive?
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:23 am to
How and when do they expect Ukraine to pay the US back for the Lend-Lease?

I expect it to be a multi-decade at a minimum considering the destruction in Ukraine - assuming they remain a viable independent country when all this ends.

In the end, I think it will be "forgiven"
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:27 am to
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almost certainly a planted false flag operation.



I would say "certainly"
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:27 am to
It will be fascinating to watch how modern combined arms sans air superiority will attempt to deal with multi-layer static defenses.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:03 am to
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How and when do they expect Ukraine to pay the US back for the Lend-Lease?

I expect it to be a multi-decade at a minimum considering the destruction in Ukraine - assuming they remain a viable independent country when all this ends.

In the end, I think it will be "forgiven"


Most likely. But it would likely be forgiven a bit at a time.

The debt will hang over Ukraine's head as it starts its rebuild, but regular forgiveness would also give the US a significant mechanism for exerting influence in future Ukrainian governments.

But it undermines the partial justification that I had been giving the Biden administration: parceling out aid at a slow enough pace such that the US would still be able to aid Ukraine next year (if Congress does not authorize more aid this fall).

Lend-lease means that credit I had been giving them is invalid, and the idea that the US can't afford to give Ukraine another 200 Bradleys is just plum stupid. [EDIT: dictionary tells me that the correct phrase is "plumb stupid."]

In WWII, I think that the Army did about 70% of its fighting in Europe and N. Africa and only 30% in the Pacific, while the Navy did the reverse and did about 90% of its fighting in the Pacific and only 10% in the Atlantic.

It's the same now. The US Army is still primarily structured to fight a major land battle in Europe -- against Russia. But over half of Russia's pre-war tank fleet has been destroyed, etc. Russia is not nearly the threat we perceived it to be 14 months ago, at least in a conventional war.

And that means that the US Army has lots of equipment that it no longer needs.

And, again, no one is going to convince me that Ukraine couldn't use another 200 Bradleys. "Ukraine has what it needs" -- what a joke.

The new strike force that Ukraine is assembling is still overwhelmingly loaded with infantry, compared to the force that any NATO country would use in its place.
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 10:13 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:10 am to
Russian peacekeepers continue to do diddly.

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BREAKING - Serious clash taking place right now along the new #Armenia and #Azerbaijan border. Armenia MoD reports Azeri troops using mortars, Azeri side reports "high casualties on Armenian side," and unofficial reports of Azeri UAVs being used. DEVELOPMENTS UNDERWAY.


The message here for the rest of the world is "don't trust Russia to keep its promises."
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:14 am to
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Could you say why this is unreasonable as a request? Not should the US fill it or not, but why the request itself is unreasonable?

There are plenty to go around, but a fully armed Patriot battery is about a billion dollars.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:59 am to
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There are plenty to go around, but a fully armed Patriot battery is about a billion dollars.



The reason for giving the Patriot was that, with Zelensky coming to DC, we needed to send a strong signal of our ongoing support of Ukraine, while we simultaneously did not want to "escalate" with heavy armor without getting our European on board. Ukraine's infrastructure was under heavy attack, and there was concern about Ukraine freezing in the dark.

I understand that the international community wanted to know that its embassies in Kyiv would be safe (and that's where the Patriot is going).

But it was still a waste of money to send the Patriot. We could have spent a $1 billion in far better ways to help Ukraine. Think about how many artillery rounds that would purchase.
Posted by Nigel Farage
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 11:22 am to
Judging by the reactions of US and foreign officials (particularly South Korea and Israel) most if not all of the leaks seem legit. There are definitely some documents that have been altered in regards to casualty numbers both sides have incurred but the but the ones relating to other countries participation in the war and weapons deliveries to Ukraine seem legit.

If all of these are true it paints a pretty dire picture for Ukraine in my opinion. It shows that the west cannot keep up with the shell/ammo consumption going on and that traditional countries we have been able to rely on are hesitant or outright refusing to get involved. With the leaks about Egypt arming the Russians and taking into account how the Saudis and Iranians have reconciled recently this is a foreign policy disaster for the US. I can’t help but believe that the actions being taken by third parties are in large part because of us trying to force our own version of decadent morality upon unwilling nations.

Take Saudi Arabia for instance, Blinken has stated repeatedly that every time he meets with them he is pressing them on their treatment of gays. Saudi Arabia is the home of Islam and the Islamic world explicitly condemns homosexuality in all forms. Yet the US has the audacity to try to leverage the Saudis or Egyptians to accept the unacceptable or else and then we are left wondering why the hell these countries are suddenly switching allegiances.

Africa again we have made promoting gay rights a priority there and have been rebuffed so thoroughly that China, India and Russia have better ties than ever. Then of course there is South America where the CIA has instigated countless coups throughout the decades (most recently trumps failed coup in Venezuela) and we wonder why they aren’t keen on sending weapons.

As big as the details about what weapons have been delivered and general attrition in Ukraine, my biggest takeaway is that our disastrous foreign policy spanning the last few decades is finally coming back to bite us in the arse. BRICS is going to be a real problem for the United States moving forward as more countries align with them so they don’t get leveraged over fricking gays or our own phony belief in democracy.

I still support Ukraine and hope that they can somehow force some sort of a truce or ceasefire here in the next year but I don’t have a ton of faith. But the United States insistence on making gays the centerpiece of both our foreign policy and the face of our government is making the rest of the world turn away. I mean I don’t blame them, when you have trannies being called the soul of our nation and in high level government positions combined with making gay rights the cornerstone of our foreign policy no wonder most of the world is telling us to frick off.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 11:39 am to
Agree with this. We are ruining ourselves domestically and internationally over the smallest minority of our population and it is coming home to roost in an accelerated fashion. If not reversed, it will continue this current downward trajectory.
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
1014 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 11:53 am to
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making gay rights the cornerstone of our foreign policy no wonder most of the world is telling us to frick off.

This is just utter nonsense. Our relations with Saudi Arabia, Africa or South America have nothing to do with gay rights.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:03 pm to
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no wonder most of the world is telling us to frick off.


I am as opposed to American promotion of LGBT as anyone, but that's not what is happening.

I mean, the Saudia are liberalizing their society at a rapid pace. Remember that women weren't allowed to drive until recently.

No, the Saudis (and others in the Middle East) are getting less cozy with us because our energy independence means we are not as important a customer for them as we used to be.

It's about money, not LGBT or any Culture War stuff.
Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
5109 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:03 pm to
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You pussified mfers would have given up to the Germans with 6 months in WW2. You should all be stripped of your citizenship tarred and feathered and dropped off in Russia or some other shite hold. Grow or pair or balls or give the account to your butch wife or something.

The assessment you dumbass are buying is almost certainly a planted false flag operation.

Let me explain to you sissy children while we are not going to let the Russian destroy UK.

Because they will not stop and will end up attacking a NATO country and the WW3 all you bitches keep worrying about will be real or the others will step in take over or just eliminate us. All of those scenarios are 1 million times worse than this bull shite



What a hero!

When will you be going to the White House for your Medel of Honor presentation?
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:06 pm to
It does when there’s an alternative (China alone fits this, but you start adding the others like India and Russia it’s an even bigger deal) with more demand who’s growing a much greater share of global importance that doesn’t hound you about something you and your citizenry find utterly abhorrent.

No the gay and trans rights push isn’t the ONLY factor driving them away, but it is a factor. So is the climate nonsense, particularly to ME countries with vast oil production to be sold that’s key to their survival, another minority issue. The overwhelming majority of people on this planet DGAF about the climate nonsense, but here we are ruining foreign policy and domestic economic benefit over it.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:07 pm to
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I mean, the Saudia are liberalizing their society at a rapid pace. Remember that women weren't allowed to drive until recently.


As their relations with Iran continue to improve and China continues to rise and offer the sweeter deal to the Saudis this will see some reversal.
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