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Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:09 pm to
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:09 pm to
It used to be we pushed for more democracy but still cozied up to non democracies when it suited US needs

Now we pursue PC issues…..

Hell russia basically shite down or drone and we were complaining they were dumping jet fuel which is dangerous to the environment…..
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:14 pm to
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Agree with this. We are ruining ourselves domestically and internationally over the smallest minority of our population and it is coming home to roost in an accelerated fashion. If not reversed, it will continue this current downward trajectory.



Nah, we really aren't. In terms of Egypt, the supposed leaks suggest that the US is interested in preventing the excesses of authoritarian rule, which has not worked out well long-term for Egypt or for those Arab states who aren't buttressed by oil. This Farage doofus is seemingly obsessed with gay people, and not the fact the context of those conversations, which are really conversations about continued, long-term stability.

Here's a much more interesting article for you if you can access it, about the gay culture in Riyadh. LINK

As an aside, the Turkish/Arab/Levantine/Israeli/Palestinian/Tunisian looking dude at my local shawarma place definitely wants a piece of my butthole.
Posted by Nigel Farage
South of the Mason-Dixon
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:18 pm to
Anthony Blinken “ I press Saudis on LGBTQI issues ‘in every conversation’”

It’s not the only part of our foreign policy but it does appear the be a priority. That bitch press secretary repeatedly says the promotion of the alphabet people is one of Bidens foreign policy priorities too.

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It's about money, not LGBT or any Culture War stuff.


Egypt has been getting a billion dollars every year in foreign aid for the last decade second only to Israel. What exactly has changed so much that they would start pivoting away from the US sphere of influence? Not to mention how we press their government on their treatment of the opposition. How soon do we forget that Sisi came to power because of the Muslim fricking brotherhood, maybe it’s a good idea they have a leader who can strong arm the islamists into submission?

Gays aren’t everything but they are a big part of why these countries are pivoting away from us towards the Chinese and Russians.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:20 pm to
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As their relations with Iran continue to improve and China continues to rise and offer the sweeter deal to the Saudis this will see some reversal.



Well, the context of Saudi-Iranian rapprochement is more a statement about their relative instability, as each authoritarian country cannot deal with direct foreign rivals at the moment, which is a far contrast from when both were directly or indirectly causing havoc in Syria. The Saudi throne is always contested, and Iran has had consistent protests against the state for the first time since 2009. Given that the Saudis are attempting minor liberalization means that their political situation is more precarious, especially if hardliners gain a champion inside the Royal Court.

The issue with any deals that the Saudis make is the denomination of the currency. The China-Iran deal they supposedly made (I'm not sure if anything was ever officially signed) allowed for trade in Yuan, but the Iranians will look to offload that Yuan for something other countries will accept, because there really isn't a tertiary market for renminbi at the moment. The same is true of any potential deal with the Saudis.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:22 pm to
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Egypt has been getting a billion dollars every year in foreign aid for the last decade second only to Israel. What exactly has changed so much that they would start pivoting away from the US sphere of influence? Not to mention how we press their government on their treatment of the opposition. How soon do we forget that Sisi came to power because of the Muslim fricking brotherhood, maybe it’s a good idea they have a leader who can strong arm the islamists into submission?



Because strong-arming Islamists only works for so long? Egypt is in a particularly dangerous situation as they need to add around 700k jobs per year to deal with their growing population, and they have the potential for a massive war with Ethiopia in the case that the Ethiopians decided to dam the Nile.
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 12:34 pm
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:27 pm to
Poli board takeover re trannies, gays, climate change, China, India...
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:59 pm to
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Well, the context of Saudi-Iranian rapprochement is more a statement about their relative instability, as each authoritarian country cannot deal with direct foreign rivals at the moment, which is a far contrast from when both were directly or indirectly causing havoc in Syria. The Saudi throne is always contested, and Iran has had consistent protests against the state for the first time since 2009. Given that the Saudis are attempting minor liberalization means that their political situation is more precarious, especially if hardliners gain a champion inside the Royal Court.


But how will their reorientation towards China, who’s far more accepting of the authoritarian behavior these countries have used in the past to suppress these issues, boost their internal stability/control vs being as reliant on US money with strings?

In addition, the Chinese brokered peace (if it does come to fruition) between the Saudis and Iranians and Syrias pending re-joining of the Arab league allows them to much more focus their foreign policies towards Israel vs being divided amongst themselves and hating Israel.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:02 pm to
There is no term for homosexuality in Islam for men who prefer men and die in battle, they get 36 "Pearly Boys" instead of 72 Virgins.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:11 pm to
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But how will their reorientation towards China, who’s far more accepting of the authoritarian behavior these countries have used in the past to suppress these issues, boost their internal stability/control vs being as reliant on US money with strings?



Well, it's ultimately posturing with respect to the US, which aims at mitigating some of those strings.

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In addition, the Chinese brokered peace (if it does come to fruition) between the Saudis and Iranians and Syrias pending re-joining of the Arab league allows them to much more focus their foreign policies towards Israel vs being divided amongst themselves and hating Israel.



Well Israel is the ultimate trump card that all Arab countries can play. Supporting the Palestinian cause is generally a very popular viewpoint among the populations of those countries, and is easy points in terms of developing some stability if need be, but it comes with its own risks.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:51 pm to
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Well, it's ultimately posturing with respect to the US, which aims at mitigating some of those strings.


Sure, but it also comes with significant benefits them as well, so it’s not just the posturing for posturing. China needs more O&G than we do. China will invest in these nations with different strings than us that are on the face more acceptable today. Whether it comes to fruition or not, still TBD in my own opinion, I think there’s some credence to them seeing China as the future and us on the downside of empire, albeit near the top still.

I think the Chinese and ME culturally are a better fit in some respects because of the way the see respect and power. Value of pomp and circumstance. If China is able to actually gain a significant foothold here I think it pulls influence to China much more quickly, whether the Chinese are actually genuine or not.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:56 pm to
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I think the Chinese and ME culturally are a better fit in some respects because of the way the see respect and power. Value of pomp and circumstance. If China is able to actually gain a significant foothold here I think it pulls influence to China much more quickly, whether the Chinese are actually genuine or not.



I'm just really skeptical of the robustness of authoritarian systems. The downsides of them are that they create information vacuums for themselves eventually, and never survive that situation. What we have to sift through are those aspects of Chinese FP which would survive through different regimes and that's harder to predict. But needing oil and gas might be among those things.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:01 pm to
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“Instead of building strategic autonomy from the United States, I propose a strategic partnership with the United States,” Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said Tuesday before flying off to the U.S., of all places, for a three-day visit.

Privately, diplomats were even franker.

“We cannot understand [Macron’s] position on transatlantic relations during these very challenging times,” said one diplomat from an Eastern European country, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to freely express themselves. “We, as the EU, should be united. Unfortunately, this visit and French remarks following it are not helpful.”

The reactions reflect the long-simmering divisions within Europe over how to best defend itself. Macron has long argued for Europe to become more autonomous economically and militarily — a push many in Central and Eastern Europe fear could alienate a valuable U.S. helping keep Russia at bay, even if they support boosting the EU’s ability to act independently.

“In the current world of geopolitical shifts, and especially in the face of Russia’s war against Ukraine, it is obvious that democracies have to work closer together than ever before,” said another senior diplomat from Eastern Europe. “We should be all reminded of the wisdom of the first U.S ambassador to France Benjamin Franklin who rightly remarked that either we stick together or we will be hanged separately.”

Macron, a third senior diplomat from the same region huffed, was freelancing yet again: “It is not the first time that Macron has expressed views that are his own and do not represent the EU’s position.”


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A Central European diplomat flatly dismissed Macron’s stance as “pretty outrageous,” while another official from the same region chalked it up to an attempt “to distract from other problems and show that France is bigger than what it is” — a reference to the protests roiling France amid Macron’s pension reforms.


Politico

Guess we got our answer on whether or not Macron speaks for all of the EU - NO. At least not for eastern and Central Europe, which I expected to be the case. Nice to see some particularly pointed rebuttals from them though.

I’ll say it again, it’s very important for us to support and foster Polish EU leadership.

Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:04 pm to
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I'm just really skeptical of the robustness of authoritarian systems. The downsides of them are that they create information vacuums for themselves eventually, and never survive that situation. What we have to sift through are those aspects of Chinese FP which would survive through different regimes and that's harder to predict. But needing oil and gas might be among those things.


Agree in the long term, we’re sort of seeing it now with Russia. Democracies have fallen into the same tendencies towards the end on smaller scales as well.
Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 3:59 pm to
Posted by duggieblue
GA
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:07 pm to
The Russians beheading a Ukraine soldier video is blurred in this link.. but it’s out there.

Tweeter link
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 4:09 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:10 pm to
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Well, the context of Saudi-Iranian rapprochement is more a statement about their relative instability, as each authoritarian country cannot deal with direct foreign rivals at the moment, which is a far contrast from when both were directly or indirectly causing havoc in Syria. The Saudi throne is always contested, and Iran has had consistent protests against the state for the first time since 2009. Given that the Saudis are attempting minor liberalization means that their political situation is more precarious, especially if hardliners gain a champion inside the Royal Court.

The issue with any deals that the Saudis make is the denomination of the currency. The China-Iran deal they supposedly made (I'm not sure if anything was ever officially signed) allowed for trade in Yuan, but the Iranians will look to offload that Yuan for something other countries will accept, because there really isn't a tertiary market for renminbi at the moment. The same is true of any potential deal with the Saudis.


There already is the presence of China in Iran for easily a decade. Yuan for oil from Iran has been around for easily that long when China started buying their oil on China's terms. Iran has "exported" refined products via UAE, after being blended with UAE refined products, for that same length of time too, likely via Qatar and Bahrain in the same fashion. Afterall, Bahrain has been refining Iranian crude and shipping back products for decades.

In 2020 when Russia didn't want to cut oil production as needed during the covid lockdowns, Saudi Arabia let their oil flow as well and screwed Russia bigtime. Saudi Arabia is a much more efficient and lower cost producer with a $40 per barrel difference in breakeven price.

How valid are the Abraham Accords if no Arab nation honors them? The rivalry between Iran and Saudi Arabia is not just the religious schism but cultural from before then. They just hate each other worse than the Hatfields and McCoys. Now, Saudi Arabia will also screw Qatar any way it can, and vice versa. When Qadafi was overthrown it was rival influence from Qatar and Saudi Arabia keeping the place in upheaval. If things had settled down by 2015, I would have built a 300,000 BPD fully integrated refinery at Ras Lanuff funded by the Qatari Bank in Paris. The approximately $30 billion was sitting there to buy up an oilfield, revitalize it and relocated 3 idle refineries from North America and Australia to Libya. My part was only the refineries, using a contractor from Cairo for the re-erection (partially owned by a Texas based privately owned contractor and Saudi Arabia). The entity using the Qatari money was actually Tunisian (won the blood feud mislabeled Arab Spring) who lives in France but registered in Malta.

There is so much that never hits the news plus journalists are generally clueless.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:34 pm to
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Guess we got our answer on whether or not Macron speaks for all of the EU - NO. At least not for eastern and Central Europe, which I expected to be the case. Nice to see some particularly pointed rebuttals from them though.

I’ll say it again, it’s very important for us to support and foster Polish EU leadership.


I read a long twitter thread this morning that argued that Macron's remarks sound much more anti-China in French than they do in translation. Still, his office approved the translation, so he's ultimately responsible for them.

But Macron's central problem was going to China and then assuming he could speak on behalf of Europe, when France itself is not acting as a European leader on foreign policy as it relates to Ukraine.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:45 pm to
@wartranslated

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Girkin's friend Murz calls out the Russian military propagandist Anna Dolgaryova for fake positive coverage of the Russian offensive. She spoke about an alleged successful advance in Avdiivka, to which he says it was all lies, and all the VDV who took part in it were killed, with no survivors.

It's an excerpt from a much longer post. He also says some brigades are known as "meat" brigades internally and no one seems to be worried about it, or about the fact that they're running out of "any infantry", not just "good infantry".

Longer post at link. Murz is always fun.
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 4:46 pm
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12298 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:55 pm to
Yeah, not sure why he would choose to act as if he speaks for the EU, that is also more of a reflection of Germany’s weakness right now.

Macron’s other problem is he repeatedly behaves like Neville Chamberlain.

Because he always projects fear towards conflict, he doesn’t persuade anyone to listen to him.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:57 pm to
Where do I find the leaked documents?
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