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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Ukraine has belonged to the US since we overthrew their government.
So we stole Russian land, then
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:47 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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This is like saying Imperial Japan was justified in WWII because we were provoking them with our expansion in the Pacific.
Our expansion was precisely the reason we were attacked. That doesn’t mean Japan was justified you smooth brain. It’s hilarious to watch some of you twist your logic to defend the US government
The vast majority of U.S. expansion in the Pacific was done by 1901. 40 years later Japan decides to attack the U.S. at Pearl Harbor. We didn't provoke Japan, they wanted the entire Pacific for themselves.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:48 pm to SoonerK
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We didn't provoke Japan, they wanted the entire Pacific for themselves.
But we did provoke Russia.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:54 pm to REG861
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You left out the part where we only wanted Ukraine to install our biolabs.
Also left out the following:
Russia murdering civilians in the streets and leaving behind mass graves
Russia sending missiles into apartment buildings, indiscriminately killing civilians
Russia sending missiles into other civilian infrastructure
Russia kidnapping Ukrainian children
Russia draining reservoirs
Russia destroying agricultural exports
Russia damaging nuclear facilities
Ukraine sees aligning with the west as a positive alternative to the treatment they get from Moscow
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:58 pm to SoonerK
These are all arguments that have already been hashed out and rehashed several times in this thread. Can we get back to discussing the war.
I know that I'm guilty too, because I've responded to trolls here a number of time, but we can't let them derail the thread. Let them call me a warmonger, a neo-con, a Biden-loving liberal, a slave of the military-industrial complex ... whatever. It's ultimately just a waste of time to respond.
I know that I'm guilty too, because I've responded to trolls here a number of time, but we can't let them derail the thread. Let them call me a warmonger, a neo-con, a Biden-loving liberal, a slave of the military-industrial complex ... whatever. It's ultimately just a waste of time to respond.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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But we did provoke Russia.
Sure. I will admit this. That doesn’t justify starting all out war. For whatever reason you cannot bring yourself to admit that. Russias fear of losing Ukraine as a vassal state is not legitimate grounds for war. All of your comments seem to suggest that Ukraine belonged to Russia. It did not.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:06 pm to REG861
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Sure. I will admit this. That doesn’t justify starting all out war.
I don't care about the war, I don't vote in Russia or Ukraine as I vote in neither. I only care about our decisions and ongoing involvement.
I hope long term things work out for Ukraine, but that will not happen as long as we continue subsidizing the genocide of young Ukrainian men.
Apparently we are the issue with peace talks.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We also don't have a right to have a pipeline or not, or what leaders they will have. Yet we do it and wonder why there is war.
So you hate Trump too. got it
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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But we did provoke Russia.
NO, No we didn't....
Ukraine decided on their own to seek closer ties to the West after decades of being abused by Russian powers. They saw the wealth and opulance former Eastern Bloc states have experienced since embracing the EU and wanted in on the action.
As is their right as a sovereign country. Even if the USA interfered with the Ukrainian ouster of their russian puppet. That does not justify RU's actions to date
NO ONE was going to allow Ukraine into NATO prior to 2014.
If RU wanted to snub NATO out of Ukraine, they should have built up better ties instead of trying to make Ukraine a vassal state.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Wait, the US is responsible for the "genocide of Ukrainian men" and NOT Russia?
And these Ukrainian men are mere puppets of Brandon and the US gov't?
And these Ukrainian men are mere puppets of Brandon and the US gov't?
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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But we did provoke Russia.
why is it that the former east block and USSR states run to the west instead of Russia......? they know what life is like under the thumb of russia and they know that eventually russia will come for them is they were not allied witht he west....
Ukraine doesnt want to be russian...russia doesent Ukraine to be EU, they want them like Belorussia and be a puppet of Mossow. That is the so called provocation, the west and (namely) wanted to accept Ukraine into the west and russia didnt want it.....
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:12 pm to Tigeralum2008
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NO, No we didn't....
A dying perspective btw. Folks have come around to the truth.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This thread is full of bullshite, the media is full of bullshite regarding this war, and neither you nor I realize exactly what is happening.
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Your wishcasting avails nothing. I'll be plenty happy when we are no longer involved, and do not care what happens to Ukraine or Russia.
So you say no one has any idea what's going on and therefore no one has an informed opinion but the US Government shouldn't be doing anything anyway because reasons? Just want to make sure I'm tracking correctly
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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A dying perspective btw. Folks have come around to the truth.
It's nice to know that you have proclaimed yourself a far leftist. Jill Stein and Bernie welcome you with open arms.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:15 pm to StormyMcMan
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you say no one has any idea what's going on and therefore no one has an informed opinion but the US Government shouldn't be doing anything anyway because reasons? Just want to make sure I'm tracking correctly
What case did they lay out for you to vote upon?
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't care about the war, I don't vote in Russia or Ukraine as I vote in neither. I only care about our decisions and ongoing involvement. I hope long term things work out for Ukraine, but that will not happen as long as we continue subsidizing the genocide of young Ukrainian men. Apparently we are the issue with peace talks.
You should be aware that this is an incoherent argument and you are repeatedly contradicting yourself. It’s nonsensical, to put it politely.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:17 pm to SoonerK
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The vast majority of U.S. expansion in the Pacific was done by 1901. 40 years later Japan decides to attack the U.S. at Pearl Harbor. We didn't provoke Japan, they wanted the entire Pacific for themselves.
Ironically, they at first had their sights set on Siberia. Russia kicked their arse in a 1939 border clash (the Russian Army in the far east had mostly avoided being purged-out of sight, out of mind-and was thus relatively competent) which made the Japanese look to the South Pacific and an eventual conflict with the United States. Those damn Russians again.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:20 pm to tigeraddict
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why is it that the former east block and USSR states run to the west instead of Russia......?
Boom!!!!!
Despite what Roger and his ilk say no one is making Finland, Hungary, Latvia, and all the other countries want in NATO. These countries are free to do as they please.
Russia is the reason for the NATO. The whole world knows this.
Why aren’t countries clamoring to join a revamped Soviet Union? We all know why.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:25 pm to doubleb
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Despite what Roger and his ilk say no one is making Finland, Hungary, Latvia, and all the other countries want in NATO.
We overthrew Ukraine's govt. Totally different scenario.
When we overthrow Finland, you have a fair point.
It's simply a US proxy war with Russia. It's ok, it's in the open now.
If you realize that and still support our own involvement, you really have a solid basis. But pretending like we are saving Ukraine.. c'mon man
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We overthrew Ukraine's govt. Totally different scenario.
When we overthrow Finland, you have a fair point.
Who says we overthrew Ukraine? Maybe an idiot like Alex Jones, Jimmy Dore or some other far leftist Kremlin shill?
Don't get me started on Sy Hersh and his fake news
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