re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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None of what you said has frick all to do with western expansion violating multiple NATO-Russia agreements. You can place blame solely on Russia for deteriorating relations over the last twenty years or so if you want, but you sound like an expansionist hack when you refuse to even acknowledge the role the US and NATO has played.

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This is like saying Imperial Japan was justified in WWII because we were provoking them with our expansion in the Pacific. At the end of the day, no one cares because it's all minor footnotes overshadowed by a completely unnecessary war brought for selfish, imperialist reasons. History will only remember that Russia started a stupid war that was not a war of last resort, just like Japan.

And you know I'm right.

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None of what you said has frick all to do with western expansion violating multiple NATO-Russia agreements.

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Former Soviet satellites sought protection know that Russia does what Russia does. Even the far leftist Mearsheimer was against Ukraine giving up its nukes because Russia was going to Russia and invade without deterrent.

Name the NATO violations if you actually know of any.

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Name the NATO violations if you actually know of any.

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He needs to link all these written agreements NATO provided so we can understand where he is coming from.

Someone should also link the treaties and agreements Russia violated so we can look at the entire picture.

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None of what you said has frick all to do with western expansion violating multiple NATO-Russia agreements

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and Nato expansion has frick all to do with this invasion.

Russia wants Ukraine out of the EU. NATO is largely irrelevant to any realistic goals and certainly irrelevant to any actual fears. Russia has been co-existing next to NATO without any incident of note. The EU? That would frick Russia up.

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Russia has no right to any other sovereign nation.

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Neither do we

We also don't have a right to have a pipeline or not, or what leaders they will have. Yet we do it and wonder why there is war.

One day you'll put it all together. We are the main cause of global unrest.

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This is like saying Imperial Japan was justified in WWII because we were provoking them with our expansion in the Pacific.

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Our expansion was precisely the reason we were attacked. That doesn’t mean Japan was justified you smooth brain. It’s hilarious to watch some of you twist your logic to defend the US government

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History will only remember that Russia started a stupid war that was not a war of last resort, just like Japan.

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No, that’s what statists will remember. Like you. The rest of us will remember and exam history as objectively as possible.

Which is absolutely fair

My view comes from the fact that what Russia did flies in the face of an international order where you didn't just up and invade your neighbor. As long as Ukraine wishes to fight and defend themselves, we cannot let that kind of behavior slide. It sets an awful precedent to Russia that it can get what it wants through force, to China that we are weak and will allow such behavior to happen, to our non NATO allies like Taiwan who absolutely are scared about what is happening in Ukraine, and our regional NATO allies that absolutely have skin in the game on this

The very second our involvement goes from "supplying and supporting" to anything greater like "active shooting participant" I will change my view. But until then I think the price of not supporting Ukraine is greater than the price of doing so

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Can you name a country that the United States has invaded and annexed in the last 150 years?

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We use money and guns. Ukraine has belonged to the US since we overthrew their government.

Affluence carries privilege. All we do is supply money and hardware, they supply the death.

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We also don't have a right to have a pipeline or not, or what leaders they will have. Yet we do it and wonder why there is war.

One day you'll put it all together. We are the main cause of global unrest.

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In all of history there’s generally been competition for a dominate nation/culture/tribe etc. We’re just the current dominant force in the grand scheme of things, but since our rise to dominance during/post WWII generally the world has had large scale peace to a higher degree than under previous dominate nations/cultures/tribes.

That doesn’t make everything we do right or just or noble, but if we weren’t in this position someone else simply would be and likely be worse. You think when China potentially succeeds us in this role they will be nicer and less interested in their own expansion and preservation?

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but since our rise to dominance during/post WWII generally the world has had large scale peace to a higher degree than under previous dominate nations/cultures/tribes.

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We are under the false belief that it's our duty to export our shitty version of social democracy under the guide of liberalism, even as we live in a post liberal society.

It's global Karenism using the working guys money.

I don't believe all people are ready for a liberal democracy