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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:42 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:42 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Of interest to this thread is that the Biden administration had asked for the bill to authorize an additional $37 billion in aid to Ukraine. Last night, we got word that the bill will actually allocate $45 billion.
What’s another $7 billion or $8 billion tacked on to bill again by Congress above what the President/commander in chief requested as needed??? Is this another gift from Pelosi before she is no longer the speaker? Never really sure where the $7 billion she added to the May bill was allocated or actually spent. She did use the Bible to sell it, so it must have been for good.
Does the bill state whether we are borrowing this money, printing it, or increasing taxes?
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Strategic Petroleum Reserve – Cancels certain future Congressionally mandated sales, reducing the technical burden on the Strategic Petroleum Reserve system.
I guess Biden’s burden on the reserve was enough.
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:48 pm to Pfft
Hey Pfft, this aid is going to kill a lot of Russians. I know that breaks your fascist heart.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 5:06 pm to CitizenK
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Always started by some politard who thinks that Putin is great
No one else ever brings up the political board or other politics in this thread right???
Anyone who disagrees with those here who get hard ons sending billions in weapons they will get to see in use and more billions in “aid” automatically must think Putin is great and is a “politard”. That can’t be a political view/statement can it?
Keeping thread on the OT is like giving many regulars here a safe place to toss in politics including a bill before amongst posts about the actual war because the political board is just too scary.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 5:11 pm to dallastigers
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because the political board is just too scary.
Only in a crazy psych ward scary type of way
Posted on 12/20/22 at 5:13 pm to dallastigers
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Strategic Petroleum Reserve – Cancels certain future Congressionally mandated sales, reducing the technical burden on the Strategic Petroleum Reserve system.
Crude oil flows into it monthly as payment in kind for offshore royalties. It is actually over legislated amount to contain. There are no longer any pipeline which can take any of that crude oil to any refinery not in SE Texas and Coastal Louisiana. They have all been reversed to bring HEAVY crude to refineries which need it and nary a drop of Heavy crude in the SPR.
No go kiss icons in a Russian trench.
BTW, the grades of crude in the SPR are perfect for the Israeli owned refinery in Krotz Springs. Not at all for mega refinery Marathon in Garyville which is an all heavy crude refinery.
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 12/20/22 at 5:13 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
CNN's Will Ripley became the first journalist to visit Snake Island:. LINK
Posted on 12/20/22 at 5:37 pm to dallastigers
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Keeping thread on the OT is like giving many regulars here a safe place to toss in politics
How terrible, people are talking shite about you on a different board
Snowflake
Posted on 12/20/22 at 5:52 pm to Highthoughts
Some of the political posters in this thread obviously think Chicken suffers fools. You keep poking him and you are going to find out he doesn't. Go back to the political board.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 5:57 pm to dallastigers
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because the political board is just too scary.
It’s scary how many semi retards post over there
Posted on 12/20/22 at 6:16 pm to notiger1997
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It’s scary how many semi retards post over there
It got mighty quiet when the “big announcement” was NFTs. I’m not sure Jjdoc has recovered
Posted on 12/20/22 at 6:43 pm to GOP_Tiger
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the announcement about the Patriot system has been delayed pending the passage of this bill. That should happen very soon after passage.
Too little too late. Ukraine needed the Patriot missiles in October. They will help but my God when is the USA and NATO going to be proactive against Russia instead of reactive?
Posted on 12/20/22 at 6:46 pm to GOP_Tiger
How much is going to replace washing machines stolen and toilets broken by the Russians?
Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:23 pm to WeeWee
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How much is going to replace washing machines stolen and toilets broken by the Russians?
Not to mention the cars and toilets stolen then brought back to Russia
Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:31 pm to CitizenK
So, the Patriot system and the JDAMs are actually going to be announced tomorrow as part of a $1.8 billion aid package in conjunction with President Zelensky's trip to DC.
AP article: LINK
AP article: LINK
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. will send $1.8 billion in military aid to Ukraine in a massive package that will for the first time include a Patriot missile battery and precision guided bombs for their fighter jets, U.S. officials said Tuesday, as the Biden administration prepares to welcome Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to Washington.
U.S. officials described details of the aid on condition of anonymity because it has not yet been announced. The aid signals an expansion by the U.S. in the kinds of advanced weaponry it will send to Ukraine to bolster the country’s air defenses against what has been an increasing barrage of Russian missile strikes.
The package, which was expected to be announced Wednesday, will include about $1 billion in weapons from Pentagon stocks and another $800 million in funding through the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which funds weapons, ammunition, training and other assistance, officials said.
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It’s not clear exactly when the Patriot would arrive on the front lines in Ukraine, since U.S. troops will have to train Ukrainian forces on how to use the high-tech system. The training could take several weeks, and is expected to be done at the Grafenwoehr training area in Germany.
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Also included in the package will be an undisclosed number of Joint Direct Attack Munitions kits, or JDAMs, officials said. The kits will be used to modify massive bombs by adding tail fins and precision navigation systems so that rather than being simply dropped from a fighter jet onto a target, they can be released and guided to a target.
U.S. fighter and bomber aircraft use the JDAMs, and the Pentagon has been working to modify them so they can be used by Ukraine.
The U.S. so far has been reluctant to provide Ukraine with American fighter jets. Russia has warned the the advanced aircraft would be considered provocative, and the U.S. to date has said other weaponry would be a better fit, citing the significant maintenance and training needs for those warplanes.
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So instead of providing Ukraine those U.S. aircraft, the Pentagon is helping Kyiv find innovative ways to upgrade its fleet with the same capabilities it would get with a U.S. fighter jet.
The aid package will also include an undisclosed number of rockets for the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, thousands of artillery and mortar rounds, trucks, and HARM air-to-surface anti-radiation missiles.
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One Patriot battery routinely includes up to eight launchers, each of which can hold four missiles. It would be coming from Pentagon training stocks in the U.S..
The entire system, which includes a phased array radar, a control station, computers and generators, typically requires about 90 soldiers to operate and maintain. However, only three soldiers are needed to actually fire it, according to the Army.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:34 pm to WeeWee
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How much is going to replace washing machines stolen and toilets broken by the Russians?
Russians would tell our Ukrainian friends that there's nothing wrong with using an outhouse, even when the temp is -25 degrees -- if you're drunk enough, the cold doesn't even bother you.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 8:59 pm to GOP_Tiger
All I know is that Belarus military is the only thing which has kept Lukashenko in power the last several years. He sends it to the front, it dies and he dies along with the basically police force.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:14 pm to GOP_Tiger
isw update
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Intensifying Russian pressure on Belarus is degrading Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko’s maneuver room to avoid making concessions to the Kremlin. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s long game to reestablish suzerainty over Belarus is making progress separate and apart from Putin’s efforts to get Belarus more actively involved in his invasion of Ukraine. Lukashenko confirmed that Russia “gave” Belarus an unspecified number of S-400 air defense systems during his meeting with Putin in Minsk on December 19,....Russian military personnel will likely operate the Belarus-based S-400 systems. Russian personnel may operate the S-400 systems from the so-called joint Russian-Belarusian Air Force and Air Defense Forces training center in Grodno, Belarus – a permanent Russian military presence in Belarus that the Kremlin established in the spring of 2021.
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ISW continues to observe indicators consistent with the most dangerous course of action (MDCOA) of a renewed Russian invasion of northern Ukraine from Belarus.[4] Ukrainian military officials continue to warn about a growing Russian threat from Belarus. ...These indicators support the MDCOA forecast, but that course of action remains unlikely at this time. A Russian invasion of northern Ukraine from Belarus is not very likely imminent. Nayev reiterated that Ukraine’s defense is prepared to defend northern Ukraine
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s frontline visit to Bakhmut on the 300th day of war is undermining an ongoing Kremlin information operation intended to present Russian President Vladimir Putin as an involved war leader. Zelensky made a surprise visit to Ukrainian troops serving on the intense Bakhmut front on December 20 and presented awards....Putin’s decision to award members of his circle who have not even been directly involved in fighting in contrast with Zelensky’s visit near the front lines in Bakhmut sparked some criticism among Russian nationalist voices. A former Russian militant commander and critical voice in the Russian information space, Igor Girkin, noted that Putin is awarding “his heroes in the Kremlin” but not Russian and proxy servicemen who are engaged in combat on the frontlines
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Wagner financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin further undermined Putin, possibly inadvertently, within the Russian information space by attempting to boost his standing against the backdrop of Zelensky’s visit to Bakhmut. Prigozhin published a series of videos claiming he arrived at the frontlines near Bakhmut to speak to Zelensky regarding the control of territories in the area.
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The Kremlin’s efforts to improve the reputation of the Russian MoD may have prompted Prigozhin to double down on his efforts to legalize Wagner in Russia. Russian state media outlet RT – likely affiliated with Wagner - published a 10-minute report on Wagner describing Prigozhin’s establishment of the paramilitary organization as an attempt to support “Russian interests” and defend the “Russian world.”[19] Such a portrayal suggests that Prigozhin is trying to rid Wagner of the mercenary stigma and instead re-introduce the group as a legitimate military formation in Russia that supports Russian national interests. RT also introduced prominent Kremlin officials like the Chairman of the Fair Russia - For Truth Party Sergey Mirnonov who criticized the Russian government for not seizing the initiative to recognize Wagner troops’ ”heroism” in Ukraine or granting Wagner official status under Russian law
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The Kremlin will likely continue efforts to portray Putin and the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) as effective leaders of the war in Ukraine when Putin holds the Russian MoD board meeting on December 21. The Kremlin press service announced on December 20 that Putin will hold an expanded version of the Russian MoD board meeting on December 21, which will reportedly include a summary of the activities of the Russian Armed Forces in 2022 and a setting of tasks for the Russian military in 2023....Putin is likely holding a larger-than-usual Russian MoD board meeting to present the Russian military as an organized and formidable fighting force and to demonstrate that his control over that force remains unquestioned despite its pronounced military failures in its invasion of Ukraine. Shoigu will likely deliver a main report on the war in Ukraine that minimizes the Russian MoD’s responsibility for failures at the front and offers an optimistic forecast for what Russian forces will be able to achieve operationally in Ukraine in 2023
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Key Takeaways
Russian pressure against Belarus is degrading Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko’s maneuver room to avoid making concessions to the Kremlin.
ISW continues to observe indicators consistent with the least likely but most dangerous course of action (MDCOA) of a renewed Russian invasion of northern Ukraine from Belarus.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s visit to Bakhmut undermines an ongoing Kremlin information operation to present Russian President Vladimir Putin as an involved war leader.
Wagner financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin undercut Putin’s efforts to portray himself as a wartime leader within the Russian information space, possibly inadvertently.
The Kremlin’s efforts to improve the reputation of the Russian MoD may have prompted Prigozhin to increase his efforts to legalize Wagner Group in Russia.
The Kremlin will likely continue efforts to portray Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) as effective leaders when Putin holds an expanded annual Russian MoD board meeting on December 21.
Russian forces conducted limited counterattacks along the Svatove-Kreminna line.
Russian forces continued offensive operations in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka areas.
Russian forces are expanding defensive fortifications on the left (east) bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.
A Kremlin official deflected questioning surrounding a Moscow Oblast military recruitment officer’s December 17 claim that Russian authorities will extend the service period for conscript soldiers.
Russian President Vladimir Putin demanded that Russian security services intensify their efforts to counter pro-Ukrainian partisan activity.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:59 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Snake Island
Russian warship, go f**k yourself!
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:04 pm to WeeWee
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WeeWee
Since you’re our resident expert, it seems like Ukraine isn’t too concerned about maintaining enough soldiers for the fight, but more so having enough weaponry and ammunition to maintain their momentum. Is that an accurate assessment?
They must have a shitload of guys serving.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:31 pm to WeeWee
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Too little too late. Ukraine needed the Patriot missiles in October. They will help but my God when is the USA and NATO going to be proactive against Russia instead of reactive?
Agreed. It's high time we start spilling American blood over there.
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