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Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:31 am to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:31 am to
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Trying to get it moved to PT.


But that's stupid. Chicken isn't moving this thread.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:47 pm to
I’d take this with a gargantuan grain of salt, but this Insta page i follow shared this today…



So, if this is legit, Ukraine is claiming just shy of 100k Russians have been killed so far since the start of the war. What the actual number is, I doubt we’ll know for years if ever.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 1:08 pm to
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So, if this is legit, Ukraine is claiming just shy of 100k Russians have been killed so far since the start of the war. What the actual number is, I doubt we’ll know for years if ever.



Those are indeed the numbers claimed by the Ukrainian MoD. Early in the war, it was clear that the numbers they published were largely made up for propaganda purposes, but sometime around late April or so, the numbers started to show more correlation with what Oryx and other were actually seeing.

So, today, I look at Ukraine's claim that they killed 520 Russian soldiers yesterday, and I see it as an optimistically honest claim.

By "optimistically honest," I mean that the numbers are not made up, but if they think that they killed 30-40 soldiers in one attack, they put down 40.

So, the total of 281 Russian aircraft that Ukraine claims to have downed? That bears no resemblance to reality. Oryx shows 67, which is much closer to the truth. But if Ukraine claims a plane shot down tomorrow, it likely happened.

Oryx's lists
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 1:25 pm to
IMO, it is accurate. As for UKR losses 13,000 KIA or so is regular military, and does not include national guard types or foreign fighters.

Then there are the numbers cited by folks like MacGregor and Ritter, which are obviously right out from propaganda regarding UKR losses. Heck, Ritter's claims of UKR losses in Bakhmut, every UKR soldier there died at least twice.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 1:54 pm to
Whoa. Russian volunteer Murz has published a very, very long post, which Girkin promoted as "recommended reading." Similar to his previous posts, it's highly critical of Russian command. The great War Translated has given us a good translation: LINK

Here are a few excerpts:

On using indirect fire from tanks as an artillery substitute:
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Separate fierce frick-up are the constantly popping up videos from the 1st Army Corps of the DPR showing firing from tanks from closed positions, practiced on a regular basis. The horror here, of course, is not that tanks shoot from closed positions, they can do it, a good tankman should be able to do it, moreover, tankmen were trained for this in 2016-2017 and the KCPN carried manuals for this on the topic. The horror is that with the silent catastrophic lack of shells in artillery (you can’t talk about it, because then someone will have to answer for it, but no one wants to), it was decided to replace artillery with tanks on a regular basis. For tanks, shells seem to still exist.

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Smooth-bore tank guns are not designed for what they are now doing all day long: continuously bombarding enemy positions with high-explosive fragmentation shells. Modern tank guns are made smooth-bore so that they can be used to accelerate an armor-piercing projectile, in the jargon – a “crowbar”, to an initial speed of 1700-1800 meters per second (For comparison, the rifled 152-mm howitzer D-20, aka – 2S3 “Akatsiya”, if we are talking about self-propelled guns, the combat missions of which the tankmen are trying to perform, has an three times smaller speed of a high-explosive fragmentation projectile output). The task of the tank is to destroy enemy tanks with direct fire in a tank battle with such “crowbars”. If – you lose the barrel, you won’t hit anything, the enemy will destroy you first. And the survivability of the barrel of a tank gun, it is much less than that of a rifled howitzer. And the tanks that are doing all this are no longer new, the barrels have already been used, so to destroy targets from closed positions, a large consumption of shells is required, which wears out the barrels even more.

On the attacks at places like Bakhmut, while Ukraine takes large swaths of territory elsewhere:
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From the fact that the Russian army can do nothing except for, bleeding, capture another village while surrendering a district center or an entire region on the other flank, the Russian army made an amazing conclusion – let’s take more villages! And arranged the maximum possible Verduns along the entire front line, including the very infamous Pavlovka in the DPR. And, of course, Bakhmut. How could it be without it? Why not kill the last remnants of combat-ready infantry at it? It’s not possible at all. These fricking bastards need to get positive motives for the news somewhere! Here, we freed another 100 meters of such and such village. And whoever is the first to report on the complete liberation of the village gets an order.

Murz mocks the little concrete pyramids that the Russians are using to create defensive lines, and calls them a Faberge Line (meaning that they offer all the protection of an eggshell)
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I will reveal a terrible secret – the quality of this “Faberge Line” is purely secondary, because without all the other components of a properly built defense, even correctly, according to science, the built fortified areas can be assaulted without any problems.


On the insanity of Russian comms laying cables for secure wired communications:
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All they can offer the troops, who now need to dig into the ground, is wired communication, for which the troops themselves must find both cable and field telephones (there is no discussion of field switches). And, of course, these field lines are being laid… in full accordance with the guidelines for laying temporary field lines. Somewhere just across the field, elsewhere along the trees, elsewhere along the poles. TEMPORARY frickING LINES! In the projects of the cyclopean “Faberge Line,” there is no place for normal underground cable communications protected from shelling! Having all the equipment, the materials, the time, all the infantry in positions will still remain without wire communication after five minutes of shelling. Exactly as it was with the Red Army in the summer of 1942 in the breakthrough sector during Operation Blau. But that is only, of course, if the infantry at all manages to find a field cable on its own in order to lay this connection at least somehow, And spare parts for field telephones are sent to the army by volunteers, bought up at flea markets.

This, I think, is the big story: a huge shortage of artillery shells:
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The result at the moment (which the Russian media and biased bloggers are diligently trying to cover up with stories about how the fricking positions are taken out by 57-mm anti-aircraft guns and how cool it is to burn through the life of tank barrels with constant firing from closed positions) is a monstrous shell hunger in artillery.


On the Russian shortage of drones, and the folly of using some of them to try to drop bombs on the enemy (as the Ukrainians do):
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Did the artillery gain radically more “eyes” in the air after 10 months? No. Did the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation bring the artillerymen enough autumn and winter camouflage nets for their guns? No. And winter is ahead. It will no longer be possible to hide the guns in the forests – the forests are bare, and then more snow will fall and in general, every step will be visible from the air. And the enemy with the UAV is doing well. Even considering losses. On our side, the stupid morons who wasted the ammo on plowing the fields decided to replace the six-inch projectiles with VOGs [greandes] dropped from copters. With the motivation “Well, hohols do it!”


On the upcoming Ukrainian winter offensive:
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Outcome? A fricking hell waiting for us ahead in the winter. There will be no significant chances to hold the current front, and the enemy is well aware of this, concentrating his forces where it is convenient and valuable for him. There is no progress on any of the points that determine the success of the defense, only regression that is systematically encouraged.

And the fricking thing will become especially obvious when the snow falls and the whole movement, including all our artillery, will be in full view of the enemy UAVs, and Grubnik [another volunteer] with his “People’s Network” will stupidly not be enough for the WHOLE ARMY to compensate for the lack of winter camouflage nets.
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This level of military incompetence simply does not exist. There is a huge, massive betrayal, and systematic preparation for a completely hellish massacre during the next Ukrainian offensive. The Russian army, and its command leave no chance of success.

And the **** among the “experts” and military correspondents who cover and glorify all this, sucking the “positive” out of this, bear their share of responsibility for all the future frick-ups.


As for himself:
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I’m in awe. I’m in complete fricking awe. And I’m not whining or complaining now. When the hohols break through the front, I will get my machine gun, put on my armor and go and try to kill someone before I die. And they will kill me, and I, damn it, will not see all the further shame, therefore we can say that I will be fine. Almost awesome. And you all will live in this fricked up place. And you will all be asking each other when Russia is “decolonized”, – “But how did it happen? How did it happen?!?”


It's worth reading the whole thing.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 2:09 pm to
That would be great but just knowing how we are about training on our own aircraft I don’t think we would agree on a deal that went down in that manner. That would be a little too shady and put the U.S. military in the crosshairs like we were covertly training Ukrainian pilots on f-16s even if it were the Polish pilots training them on their own f-16s they already have it would be shady optics. Of course that’s what the CIA is for I suppose. I think Ukraine eventually gets f-16s but it will be after this conflict plus the Polish want more of our fighters not less so giving some of them over to Ukraine doesn’t make sense but they would love nothing more than to be done with the Migs and get F-16s to replace them so this is obviously being held up on our part, not Poland. The right call right now is to give the Ukrainians aircraft they operate immediately but I never really thought about them having a pilot shortage to fly the Migs. I know several have been killed but even with that I would think they had more pilots than aircraft to fly. I remember a while back one of their pilots “Juice” was in the U.S. and said they have pilots just waiting for aircraft to fly and they’re ready to send younger pilots over to start training on western systems. If they really do have enough to spare to start learning on western systems it wouldn’t hurt to send 12-14 of them to start training to get a jump so if and when the deal actually goes through they have pilots ready to fly them.
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 2:46 pm
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 2:16 pm to
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Whoa. Russian volunteer Murz has published a very, very long post, which Girkin promoted as "recommended reading." Similar to his previous posts, it's highly critical of Russian command.

That's an amazing post for someone subject to "Russian justice." My general reaction when I read something almost too good to be true is that it is likely too good to be true. That post predicts disaster for Russia in the near and long term. They fact that it is from a Russian source gives it credibility that I wouldn't assign otherwise. I sure hope reality matches this guy's predictions.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 2:22 pm to
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That's an amazing post for someone subject to "Russian justice." My general reaction when I read something almost too good to be true is that it is likely too good to be true. That post predicts disaster for Russia in the near and long term. They fact that it is from a Russian source gives it credibility that I wouldn't assign otherwise. I sure hope reality matches this guy's predictions.


I agree, the British have already said the Girkin (I cannot help but think of little pickles with his name) is not that reliable.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 12/19/22 at 2:46 pm to
I just looked at the weather and neither the Kreminia area or the Bakhmut areas will be cold enough for the ground to freeze solid in the next two weeks. It’s going to be sleet and freezing rain though. The poor bastards on the front are going to be miserable.
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:41 pm to
LINK


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“The question is not whether the Russian Federation will launch a new offensive in the direction of Moldovan territory, but when it will happen: either at the beginning of the year, in January, February, or later, in March, (or) April,” Musteata told TVR Moldova, which released a teaser ahead of the Monday evening broadcast.


“But, judging by the information we have,” he said, “Russia can go further to create a corridor with the Transnistrian region, which is the territory of Moldova.”



Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:23 pm to
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I just looked at the weather and neither the Kreminia area or the Bakhmut areas will be cold enough for the ground to freeze solid in the next two weeks. It’s going to be sleet and freezing rain though. The poor bastards on the front are going to be miserable.



Yeah, it's supposed to get very cold and stay cold after the 4th or so of January.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:08 pm to
ISW Update

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Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko likely deflected Russian President Vladimir Putin’s efforts to coerce Belarus into further Russian-Belarusian integration concessions during a meeting in Minsk on December 19


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The Kremlin has also attempted to conceal Putin’s likely original intentions to pressure Lukashenko into further concessions regarding integration with the Russian Federation.


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Russian forces targeted Kyiv with Shahed-131 and -136 kamikaze drone strikes overnight on December 18–19.


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Igor Girkin, a former Russian militant commander and prominent critical voice in the Russian milblogger information space, shared a Russian volunteer’s harsh critique of the Russian military’s overall performance in the war on December 19.[


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The Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) is reportedly clashing with other pro-Russian authorities about basic administrative functions, suggesting a lack of cohesion between occupation administrations throughout various areas of occupied Ukraine.


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The Wagner Group has likely built its offensive model around tactical brutality in order to accommodate for and take advantage of its base of poorly trained and recently recruited convicts


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Key Takeaways

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko likely deflected Russian President Vladimir Putin’s efforts to coerce Belarus into Russian-Belarusian integration concessions on December 19.

Russian forces targeted Kyiv with Shahed-131 and 136 kamikaze drone strikes overnight on December 18-19.

Igor Girkin, a former Russian militant commander and prominent critical voice in the Russian milblogger information space, wrote a harsh critique of the Russian military’s overall performance in the war.

The Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) reportedly clashed with other Russian occupation authorities regarding basic administration procedures, suggesting tensions between the various occupation administrations in Ukraine.

The Wagner Group has likely built its offensive model around tactical brutality in order to accommodate for and take advantage of its base of poorly trained and recently recruited convicts.

Russian forces continued limited counterattacks along the Svatove-Kreminna line as Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces targeted Russian rear positions in Luhansk Oblast.

Russian forces reportedly lost positions south of Bakhmut on December 18 and continued ground attacks near Bakhmut and Donetsk City.

Ukrainian officials reported that Russian forces are pulling back some elements from areas along the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.

Wagner Group financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin continued efforts to establish the Wagner Group as a legitimate parastatal organization by petitioning notoriously nationalist elements in the Kremlin.

Russian occupation authorities continued to restrict movement within occupied territories and employ societal intimidation tactics.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:57 am to
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quote: “The question is not whether the Russian Federation will launch a new offensive in the direction of Moldovan territory, but when it will happen: either at the beginning of the year, in January, February, or later, in March, (or) April,” Musteata told TVR Moldova, which released a teaser ahead of the Monday evening broadcast.

“But, judging by the information we have,” he said, “Russia can go further to create a corridor with the Transnistrian region, which is the territory of Moldova.”

Thanks for the Link but I'm frankly surprised that the AP would run such blatent horse shite. If they're so desperate for content, they need to run a few more Trump / Hunter Biden fillers. The only item of value here is that Musteata is obviously compromised.
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 4:59 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:31 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
20 December 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

On 16 December, Russian President Vladimir Putin visited the Joint Headquarters of the Special Military Operation.

Putin was filmed meeting with a number of senior military officers including Chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov and Defence Minister Sergey Shoygu. He invited proposals for next steps of the Special Military Operation. Commander of the Russian Group of Forces in Ukraine, General Sergey Surovikin, was one of those who presented a report.

In this choregraphed meeting Putin likely intended to demonstrate collective responsibility for the special military operation. This display likely aimed to deflect Putin's responsibility for military failure, high fatality rates and increasing public dissatisfaction from mobilisation. The televised footage was probably designed to also dispel social media rumours of General Gerasimov's dismissal.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30530 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 8:17 am to
Ad for the Russian military.

Basic gist:

Heah gramps you need some money to buy hotdogs don't sell your Lada just sell your grandson to us.

Twitter


Next one up says to volunteer so you can buy your daughter a phone.

Twitter



I looked through the comments and other than "this can't be real" there is no indication they are not authentic. That being said I would treat them as memes since I can not verify their authenticity.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 8:39 am to
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“The question is not whether the Russian Federation will launch a new offensive in the direction of Moldovan territory, but when it will happen: either at the beginning of the year, in January, February, or later, in March, (or) April,” Musteata told TVR Moldova, which released a teaser ahead of the Monday evening broadcast.

“But, judging by the information we have,” he said, “Russia can go further to create a corridor with the Transnistrian region, which is the territory of Moldova.”


I just don’t understand how they would do this now. Not arguing with you, I saw the same scrolling Twitter and came to share it, but you already had. Just don’t see how they’d roll back the Ukrainians far enough to do that now. They have already been backed across the river in Kherson. Is there something we’re missing?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:04 am to
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Is there something we’re missing?


Hopium
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:28 am to
The above blog post from Russian volunteer Murz has been deleted. Ya think? Let us hope that Murz has not been deleted.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:31 am to
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Yeah, it's supposed to get very cold and stay cold after the 4th or so of January.


Well I guess my sauce(s) were talking about Orthodox Christmas (1/7/23) when they said that it was looking like Ukraine might have a very special Christmas present to give Vladimir the Not so Great.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:37 am to
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The question is not whether the Russian Federation will launch a new offensive in the direction of Moldovan territory,


Russia couldn’t capture Mykolaiv or Odessa when Russia was at its strongest and Ukraine was spread thin and disorganized and the bridges were intact. The bridge over the Dnieper has been destroyed and Russia has been pushed back across the Dnieper river and Ukraine is much stronger now and Russia is weaker than they were in 02/2022. How in the flipping and flying f**k could anyone really except Russia to move on Moldova?
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