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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:52 am to WeeWee
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:52 am to WeeWee
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Russia couldn’t capture Mykolaiv or Odessa when Russia was at its strongest and Ukraine was spread thin and disorganized and the bridges were intact. The bridge over the Dnieper has been destroyed and Russia has been pushed back across the Dnieper river and Ukraine is much stronger now and Russia is weaker than they were in 02/2022. How in the flipping and flying f**k could anyone really except Russia to move on Moldova?
Not being able to hold Snake Island, no way an amphibious operation is going to work
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 11:00 am to GOP_Tiger
Some of you can go cry to Chicken about this post if you like, but it's highly significant to the war that Congressional Democrats and Senate Republicans came to an agreement last night about the $1.7 trillion omnibus spending bill that would fund the US government through September.
Of interest to this thread is that the Biden administration had asked for the bill to authorize an additional $37 billion in aid to Ukraine. Last night, we got word that the bill will actually allocate $45 billion.
Here's the link to the Ukraine summary page in the actual bill: LINK
Details:
Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative - $9 billion to provide assistance, including training, equipment, weapons, logistics support, supplies and services, salaries and stipends, sustainment, and intelligence support to Ukraine’s military. It also allows the Secretary of Defense to accept contributions from partner nations in support of Ukraine.
Replenishment of US stocks - $11.88 billion to replenish US stocks of equipment sent to Ukraine through Presidential drawdown authority.
European Command operations and related activities – $6.98 billion for mission support, intelligence support, pay, equipment, and related activities.
Security Assistance – Increases the President’s authority to transfer defense equipment to Ukraine to $14.5 billion and provides $560 million in State Department security assistance funding for Ukraine and other allies.
Note that the drawdown authority limit was previously set at $11 billion, so this represents a $3.5 billion increase.
If you want to read about how the remaining billions are divided between direct economic aid, helping Ukraine's energy sector, the Food for Peace program, refugee resettlement, etc., then you can click the link and read for yourself.
Of special note for those who are worried about making sure that this money is spent appropriately and that all weapons get where they are supposed to go, the bill also provides:
Oversight – Provides $6 million for the Inspector General, requires an Inspector General report on activities to execute funds in the bill, and requires the Department of Defense to report on measures taken to require enhanced end-use monitoring of equipment provided to Ukraine.
- $13.5 million for the Inspectors General of the State Department and USAID to conduct oversight of Ukraine response activities.
Both the House and the Senate are now expected to approve the bill by the 23rd, as all lawmakers want to go home for Christmas (so the odds are low of some snag holding everything up).
Of interest to this thread is that the Biden administration had asked for the bill to authorize an additional $37 billion in aid to Ukraine. Last night, we got word that the bill will actually allocate $45 billion.
Here's the link to the Ukraine summary page in the actual bill: LINK
Details:
Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative - $9 billion to provide assistance, including training, equipment, weapons, logistics support, supplies and services, salaries and stipends, sustainment, and intelligence support to Ukraine’s military. It also allows the Secretary of Defense to accept contributions from partner nations in support of Ukraine.
Replenishment of US stocks - $11.88 billion to replenish US stocks of equipment sent to Ukraine through Presidential drawdown authority.
European Command operations and related activities – $6.98 billion for mission support, intelligence support, pay, equipment, and related activities.
Security Assistance – Increases the President’s authority to transfer defense equipment to Ukraine to $14.5 billion and provides $560 million in State Department security assistance funding for Ukraine and other allies.
Note that the drawdown authority limit was previously set at $11 billion, so this represents a $3.5 billion increase.
If you want to read about how the remaining billions are divided between direct economic aid, helping Ukraine's energy sector, the Food for Peace program, refugee resettlement, etc., then you can click the link and read for yourself.
Of special note for those who are worried about making sure that this money is spent appropriately and that all weapons get where they are supposed to go, the bill also provides:
Oversight – Provides $6 million for the Inspector General, requires an Inspector General report on activities to execute funds in the bill, and requires the Department of Defense to report on measures taken to require enhanced end-use monitoring of equipment provided to Ukraine.
- $13.5 million for the Inspectors General of the State Department and USAID to conduct oversight of Ukraine response activities.
Both the House and the Senate are now expected to approve the bill by the 23rd, as all lawmakers want to go home for Christmas (so the odds are low of some snag holding everything up).
Posted on 12/20/22 at 11:20 am to GOP_Tiger
So, what does bill this mean?
I think that the announcement about the Patriot system has been delayed pending the passage of this bill. That should happen very soon after passage.
That's about $1 billion that will come out of the drawdown authority. A month ago, we also allocated money to refurbish and upgrade HAWK air defense systems, but those systems have not been given to Ukraine yet, so that will also come out of drawdown authority.
So, I don't think that this bill presages any imminent huge gifts to Ukraine of current US equipment. We aren't about to give Ukraine a hundred F-16s out of current stock. There would certainly be room, though, for a gift of 200 or so Bradley Fighting Vehicles, which I am still hopeful could happen very soon.
I'm curious with what the administration has in mind with the $9 billion in fresh spending on "training, equipment, weapons, logistics support, supplies and services, salaries and stipends, sustainment, and intelligence support to Ukraine’s military."
In the past, we've seen that kind of aid used to buy HIMARS launchers and NASAMS systems. Of course, some of it will go for things like buying 152mm ammo from random African nations, but I have to think that significant new weapons purchases are planned.
I think that the announcement about the Patriot system has been delayed pending the passage of this bill. That should happen very soon after passage.
That's about $1 billion that will come out of the drawdown authority. A month ago, we also allocated money to refurbish and upgrade HAWK air defense systems, but those systems have not been given to Ukraine yet, so that will also come out of drawdown authority.
So, I don't think that this bill presages any imminent huge gifts to Ukraine of current US equipment. We aren't about to give Ukraine a hundred F-16s out of current stock. There would certainly be room, though, for a gift of 200 or so Bradley Fighting Vehicles, which I am still hopeful could happen very soon.
I'm curious with what the administration has in mind with the $9 billion in fresh spending on "training, equipment, weapons, logistics support, supplies and services, salaries and stipends, sustainment, and intelligence support to Ukraine’s military."
In the past, we've seen that kind of aid used to buy HIMARS launchers and NASAMS systems. Of course, some of it will go for things like buying 152mm ammo from random African nations, but I have to think that significant new weapons purchases are planned.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 11:21 am to Obtuse1
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I looked through the comments and other than "this can't be real" there is no indication they are not authentic. That being said I would treat them as memes since I can not verify their authenticity.
Those are GOLD. I really hope they're real.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 12:15 pm to SlimTigerSlap
Sending kits to allow to the Ukrainians to update their bombs to JDAMs.
LINK
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The US is expected to send Ukraine precision bomb kits that will turn existing unguided munitions, or “dumb” bombs, into precision-guided “smart” bombs known as Joint Direct Attack Munitions, or JDAMs, according to multiple US officials.
The kits add fins and a precision guidance system to the “dumb” munitions. They are expected to be included in the next security aid package to Ukraine as soon as this week, the sources said, though officials did not say how many JDAMs would be provided, or what specific type.
The precision bombs could help Ukraine attack fixed Russian defensive lines or other large targets. But they need to be dropped from fighter jets, which remains a significant challenge because of Russia’s own air defenses. Patriots also going on the next shipment.
The Ukrainian military would also need to find a way to target and launch JDAMs from Soviet-era aircraft, much as they did with US-made HARM anti-radar missiles earlier this year. The Ukrainian Air Force adapted MiG-29 fighter jets to be able to fire the HARM missile. They will have to do the same for JDAMs.
LINK
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
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... Congressional Democrats and Senate Republicans came to an agreement last night about the $1.7 trillion omnibus spending bill that would fund the US government through September.
Of interest to this thread is that the Biden administration had asked for the bill to authorize an additional $37 billion in aid to Ukraine. Last night, we got word that the bill will actually allocate $45 billion.
Great news. There may be hope for this country yet. I certainly won't get upset about paying my US taxes in the coming years.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:22 pm to Coeur du Tigre
All that shite about congress sounds like this is a pretty political topic.
Wrong Board; Read the Rules; rabble rabble rabble;
Wrong Board; Read the Rules; rabble rabble rabble;
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:37 pm to MasterDigger
Go ahead and RA the posts, then.
And then cry some more.
And then cry some more.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 1:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Lick OweO's wheelchair seat...
Go ahead and RA the posts, then.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 2:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
9Billion in aid.
$8,999,999,000 for graft and corruption. $1000 for a box of bullets.
$8,999,999,000 for graft and corruption. $1000 for a box of bullets.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 2:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
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And then cry some more.
Some of those politards are either on the dole themselves or have a GF (or BF) living with them with everything available being received.
I know an idiot like that. Super loudmouth pro Putin and anti LGBT but in reality not at all.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 2:52 pm to Pfft
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$1000 for a box of bullets.
You mad that they didn't include your dildos?
Posted on 12/20/22 at 3:30 pm to MasterDigger
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All that shite about congress sounds like this is a pretty political topic.
The difference is the only elements of the bill posted in here are directly related to the conflict and no one has made a comment about republicans this or democrats that or Biden the other. It’s within the bounds of the thread established and continued for 10 months now.
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:11 pm to DabosDynasty
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no one has made a comment about republicans this or democrats that or Biden the other.
Ever or just since Chicken’s proclamation?
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Go ahead and RA the posts, then.
And then cry some more.
Yea, you told him. He sounded like those babies crying about this thread getting moved to the political board.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:19 pm to dallastigers
Maybe some of you could allocate a portion of your paychecks to Ukraine instead of making everyone pay for biden's money laundering operation.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:28 pm to dallastigers
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Ever or just since Chicken’s proclamation?
Always started by some politard who thinks that Putin is great
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:31 pm to BananaManCan
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allocate a portion of your paychecks to Ukraine instead of making everyone pay
Its just more fun having you fund it.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:35 pm to Lakeboy7
Seeing reporting now that Zelenskyy's visiting Capitol Hill tomorrow. Get ready for a tizzy. 
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:42 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Of interest to this thread is that the Biden administration had asked for the bill to authorize an additional $37 billion in aid to Ukraine. Last night, we got word that the bill will actually allocate $45 billion.
What’s another $7 billion or $8 billion tacked on to bill again by Congress above what the President/commander in chief requested as needed??? Is this another gift from Pelosi before she is no longer the speaker? Never really sure where the $7 billion she added to the May bill was allocated or actually spent. She did use the Bible to sell it, so it must have been for good.
Does the bill state whether we are borrowing this money, printing it, or increasing taxes?
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Strategic Petroleum Reserve – Cancels certain future Congressionally mandated sales, reducing the technical burden on the Strategic Petroleum Reserve system.
I guess Biden’s burden on the reserve was enough.
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