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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/18/22 at 9:12 am to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 12/18/22 at 9:12 am to
So Russia just created the USO?
Posted by Highthoughts
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 12/18/22 at 10:02 am to
100%

Defeats the purpose of containment if you drag it out
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/18/22 at 10:31 am to
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Poliboard is based.
...in extreme ignorance
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 10:39 am to
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Russian talking head suggests blowing up Yellowstone to start a super-volcano and wipe us out. Olga seems sad because there are still bears there.


Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 1:24 pm to
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You have to think the powers that be in Russia realize that any cease fire longer than 3-6months starts to lose its benefit. Arms are not going to cease flowing into Ukraine.


One of Russia’s terms for opening negotiations is that arms shipments stop.
Posted by Highthoughts
Member since Sep 2022
313 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 1:27 pm to
Tells you all you need to know about the sincerity of that request.
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 12/18/22 at 3:43 pm to
Very interesting interview snippet with Igor Girkin (YouTube) where he basically says that the war is a disaster that will only lead to hardship and breakdown for Russia.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 4:55 pm to
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I keep saying this but I don’t understand why we and Poland can’t agree on the original deal to send them some of our older f-16s that are being rotated out of service and Poland sends Ukraine their 23 Mig-29s.


Because Poland and the Biden administration can’t get along. It’s a classic case of government workers f**king up common sense solutions.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 12/18/22 at 5:26 pm to
From a reporter for The Times of London: LINK

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UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak will tomorrow announce the supply of “hundreds of thousands” of artillery rounds to Ukraine as part of a £250 million ammunition contract. It’s intended to “ensure a constant flow of critical artillery ammunition to Ukraine throughout 2023”.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 9:22 pm to
isw update

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ISW is publishing an abbreviated campaign update today, December 18. This report discusses recent efforts by Russian military leadership to address Russian failures in Ukraine, the planned December 19 meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, and continued efforts by Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin to legitimize the Wagner Group and bolster his own reputation.

Russian military leadership is engaged in a campaign to present itself as part of an effective wartime apparatus in an effort to address the public perception of Russian failures in Ukraine. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) posted footage on December 18 reportedly of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on a working trip to the Southern Military District (SMD) and inspecting the Russian force grouping in the combat zone in Ukraine.
...Shoigu’s visit to the SMD—with its focus on sustainment and medical support—is likely part of an effort to show that the military leadership is fixing the Russian military’s devastating failures in those areas that have been the subject of constant angry commentary by milbloggers and protests by soldiers and their families.


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Putin’s planned December 19 meeting with Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko is likely part of the same effort to present proactivity as well as an effort to set information conditions for a new phase of the war. Commander of the Ukrainian Combined Forces Serhiy Nayev commented on the upcoming Putin-Lukashenko meeting and noted that it comes after Putin’s December 17 meeting with the Russian military command to discuss both immediate and mid-term goals for the war...The capacity of the Russian military, even reinforced by elements of the Belarusian armed forces, to prepare and conduct effective large-scale mechanized offensive operations in the next few months remains questionable, as other analysts have observed.[6] The manpower Russia is generating from mobilized reservists and from the annual fall conscription cycle will not be sufficiently trained to conduct rapid and effective mechanized maneuver this fall.


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Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin continued efforts to legitimize the Wagner Group as a parastatal armed force and increase his own power base by lobbying for increased state benefits for Wagner Group personnel who fought in Ukraine. Prigozhin complained on December 18 that the local St. Petersburg authorities refused to bury a Wagner Group fighter in burial grounds for participants of the “special operation” and instead intend to relegate private military company (PMC) fighters to a separate section, which Prigozhin called humiliating.....Prigozhin’s bid for increased recognition comes as reports of systematic executions within Wagner forces emerge, suggesting that Wagner leadership is willing to go to great lengths to preserve the Wagner Group’s image as a highly disciplined force.[13] Russian opposition outlet The Insider reported on December 16 that Wagner forces routinely execute deserters and those who refuse to fight, especially those recruited from penal colonies.[14] The Insider reported that Wagner has its own internal security forces to conduct the executions and that one commander—who commanded executed POW Yevgeny Nuzhin—personally witnessed several executions.[


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Key inflections in ongoing military operations on December 18:

Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) representative Andriy Yusov reported that the Russian military received a new batch of Iranian-made drones and continues to negotiate with Iran on the acquisition of ballistic missile systems.[17]

Ukrainian and Russian sources reported that positional fighting continued along the Svatove-Kremmina line.[18]

Ukrainian and Russian sources reported ongoing fighting in the outskirts of Bakhmut and to the northeast and south of the city.[19] The Russian Ministry of Defense claimed that Russian forces captured Yakovlivka, Donetsk Oblast, northeast of Soledar.[20]

Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces dislodged Russian forces from long-held positions near Bakhmut.[21]

A Ukrainian official stated that Russian forces are redeploying units from the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast and that it is too early to tell whether Russian forces are withdrawing.[22] Russian and Ukrainian forces continued routine artillery and rocket strikes across the Dnipro River.[23]

The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces struck two Russian force concentrations and two ammunition depots in Zaporizhia Oblast on December 16, injuring 150 personnel and destroying 10 pieces of equipment.[24] Ukrainian Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov stated that Russian forces are placing dragon’s teeth anti-tank defenses in Melitopol.[25]

Russian forces and occupation authorities continue to struggle to address a severe shortage of medical personnel and supplies.[26]
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8194 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 10:27 pm to
Interesting article about Patriot missiles in Ukraine

LINK

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Press reports indicate that the United States is in the final stages of planning to send a Patriot battery to Ukraine. This would constitute both a strong statement of U.S. commitment to defend Ukraine and a modest improvement in Ukrainian air defense capability and capacity. At the same time, the move raises several questions, including the need for extensive training, the prospects for long-term sustainment of the unit, and the short- and long-term effects of the effort on U.S. air defense capacity and readiness. Furthermore, Patriot will not be a game changer, being limited by the area it can cover, the single unit being deployed, and the high cost of its interceptors.


Posted by BamaSaint
Moh-beel
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/18/22 at 11:22 pm to
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What do you get out of spamming the thread?

Trying to get it moved to PT. Don't respond to the butt hurt poli-tards
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8621 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 11:32 pm to
You can’t trust Russians. You could wipe your arse with any peace deal because that’s what it would be worth to them. They would just violate it as soon as they were able to resupply their forces. The west needs to ramp up supplies and their own production of munitions across the board and Ukraine needs to understand that all this help will eventually come at a cost but the west has committed itself now. They can’t take a defeat on the battlefield from Russia.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8621 posts
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:27 am to
Exactly. I don’t want to be political here as that has been a big issue lately but Biden’s thinking on this war is confusing to say the least. He will send HIMARS but rigs them so they can’t shoot ATACMS and sends 150 M777 howitzers and M109 self propelled howitzers but he draws the line at giving Poland a dozen or so older F-16s when that already have an order for 48 block 52 F-16s and 32 F-35s. The goal here is to end this war ASAP and 2 squadrons worth of MiG-29s would go a hell of a long way to making that happen as the Ukrainian Air Force needs more fighters to replenish the ones they have lost already. 23 fighters that they can jump in and fly day 1 versus needing 6+ months to train on the f-16 would be tremendous for Ukraine especially if they plan to launch a winter offensive.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3839 posts
Posted on 12/19/22 at 2:11 am to
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Very interesting interview snippet with Igor Girkin (YouTube) where he basically says that the war is a disaster that will only lead to hardship and breakdown for Russia.


And every other country involved as well.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28100 posts
Posted on 12/19/22 at 5:41 am to
I’m hearing HIMARS limits were reversible and if certain conditions are met, lines are crossed they can instantly be switched. The coordinates for Crimea are perfectly acceptable ATM as well. Biden is risk adverse but knows Russia knows about capabilities. Migs for F-16s is a different kettle of fish however-I don’t understand either.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/19/22 at 7:05 am to
Are countries still disassembling fighter jets for delivery to Ukraine to avoid the appearance of an arms shipment? Or are we past that pretense?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 12/19/22 at 7:09 am to
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Exactly. I don’t want to be political here as that has been a big issue lately but Biden’s thinking on this war is confusing to say the least.


It’s a fact that the Biden Administration and the Polish government have a strained relationship. The workers at the State department have a negative attitude against their Polish counterparts and vice versa. I don’t think it’s political at all even though it involves political figures. I consider it to be a personality issue.

One of the contacts in the Ukrainian Air Force recently told me another possible alternative. Ukraine doesn’t have enough fighter pilots to fly them and they would be vulnerable sitting on the ground in Ukraine. So Ukraine has pilots in training in Poland and they are training on them. He also said that they is a rumor going around that the Polish jets have been earmarked to be used as spare parts and the Ukrainian pilots training in Poland are secretly training on F16s. Once the pilots are trained, US F16s will deploy to Poland and then Poland will donate the F16s to Ukraine overnight. That sounds far fetched but that’s the rumor that was passed onto me.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5661 posts
Posted on 12/19/22 at 7:13 am to
British Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 19 December 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Russian military proxy group Wagner continues to take a major role in attritional combat around the Donetsk Oblast town of Bakhmut. In recent months, it has developed offensive tactics to make use of the large number of poorly trained convicts it has recruited.

Individual fighters are likely issued a smart phone or tablet which shows the individual's designated axis of advance and assault objective superimposed on commercial satellite imagery. At platoon level and above, commanders likely remain in cover and give orders over radios, informed by video feeds from small uncrewed aerial vehicles (UAVs).

Individuals and sections are ordered to proceed on the preplanned route, often with fire-support, but less often alongside armoured vehicles. Wagner operatives who deviate from their designated assault routes without authorisation are likely being threatened with summary execution.

These brutal tactics aim to conserve Wagner's rare assets of experienced commanders and armoured vehicles, at the expense of the more readily available convict-recruits, which the organisation assesses as expendable.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8194 posts
Posted on 12/19/22 at 8:16 am to
Russians Revolutionizing barrier troop tactics.
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