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Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:13 am to
Southern Siberia but this is a major Russian refinery. If shutdown, cannot absorb any crude oil production. Due location, products (including petrochemicals manufactured there), target market is Far East.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 12:26 pm to
AFAIK this is another first in the Innagural Drone War. Dude gives himself up to a drone.

Iraqis did surrender to a Navy drone in Desert Storm so not the first ever and there have probably been plenty more but I haven't seen one in this war until now.


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We tend to avoid sappy ITT but this is a Thanksgiving message from the frontline to the US.

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This post was edited on 11/27/22 at 1:34 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 5:03 pm to
General Winter favors those better equipped for it. Significantly colder than normal in Russia. and Northern Ukraine, the first half of December, much colder than normal in Northern Europe and the rest of Ukraine.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 7:15 pm to
More of the talk of Russian expansionism that is not supposed to exist:

YT Russian state TV
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:16 pm to
Very interesting story in today's Washington Post. If you'd like to read the whole thing, here's a direct LINK that will get you past the paywall, but I'll post some excerpts.

Western sanctions catch up with Russia’s wartime economy

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For months, Putin claimed that the “economic blitzkrieg” against Russia had failed, but Western sanctions imposed over the invasion of Ukraine are digging ever deeper into Russia’s economy, exacerbating equipment shortages for its army and hampering its ability to launch any new ground offensive or build new missiles, economists and Russian business executives said.

Recent figures show the situation has worsened considerably since the summer when, buoyed by a steady stream of oil and gas revenue, the Russian economy seemed to stabilize. Figures released by the Finance Ministry last week show a key economic indicator — tax revenue from the non-oil and gas sector — fell 20 percent in October compared with a year earlier, while the Russian state statistics agency Rosstat reported that retail sales fell 10 percent year on year in September, and cargo turnover fell 7 percent.

“All objective indicators show there is a very strong drop in economic activity,” said Vladimir Milov, a former Russian deputy energy minister who is now a leading opposition politician in exile. “The spiral is escalating, and there is no way out of this now.”

The Western ban on technology imports is affecting most sectors of the economy, while the Kremlin’s forced mobilization of more than 300,000 Russian conscripts to serve in Ukraine, combined with the departure of at least as many abroad fleeing the draft, has dealt a further blow, economists said. In addition, Putin’s own restrictions on gas supplies to Europe, followed by the unexplained explosion of the Nord Stream gas pipeline, has led to a sharp drop in gas production — down 20 percent in October compared with the previous year. Meanwhile, oil sales to Europe are plummeting ahead of the European Union embargo expected to be imposed Dec. 5.
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The Kremlin has trumpeted a lower-than-expected decline in GDP, forecast by the International Monetary Fund at only 3.5 percent this year, as demonstrating that the Russian economy can weather the raft of draconian sanctions.

But economists and business executives said the headline GDP figures did not reflect the real state of the Russian economy because the Russian government effectively ended the ruble’s convertibility since the sanctions were imposed. “GDP stopped having any meaning because firstly we don’t know what the real ruble rate is, and secondly if you produce a tank and send it to the front where it is immediately blown up, then it is still considered as value added,” said Milov, who wrote a report explaining the situation for the Wilfried Martens Centre for European Studies published this month.

Deeper problems were also lurking in the Russian banking sector, where most accounting has been classified. The Russian Central Bank reported this week that a record $14.7 billion in hard currency was withdrawn from the Russian banking system in October, amid increasing anxiety over mobilization and the state of the economy.
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New laws will impose hefty fines on business executives who refuse to carry out orders for the Russian military, as well as potential prison sentences, clearing the way for entrepreneurs to be pressured into providing goods at knockdown prices. The creation of the council is “connected to big pressure on business and the need to enforce a tough diktat to make business do what it doesn’t want to do,” said Nikolai Petrov, senior research fellow for Russia and Eurasia at Chatham House in London.
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The outlook appears likely to worsen when the E.U. embargo on Russian oil sales comes into force Dec. 5, economists said. Combined with a price cap expected to be imposed on all sales of Russian oil outside the E.U., the measure could cost the Russian budget at least $120 million in lost revenue per day, Milov said, and already the Russian budget is expected to rack up a deficit by the end of this year.

Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
2707 posts
Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:26 pm to
The UK Intelligence Notes That russia Spent All Iranian Kamikaze Drones, Hopes to Get New Batch

Defense Express
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:34 pm to
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tax revenue from the non-oil and gas sector — fell 20 percent in October compared with a year earlier, while the Russian state statistics agency Rosstat reported that retail sales fell 10 percent year on year in September, and cargo turnover fell 7 percent.



Probably worse that what they (Finance Ministry) are reporting.

They had enough cash in hand for 6 months, that is long gone.
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:34 pm to
Thanks for the article. There have been many reports of problems in the Russian economy. I wonder when there will be a political backlash.
Posted by Duke
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:43 pm to
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Significantly colder than normal in Russia. and Northern Ukraine, the first half of December, much colder than normal in Northern Europe and the rest of Ukraine.


That should remain the case, more or less, for the next two weeks.

Western Europe should start to get its first taste of winter in that late two weeks range.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:44 pm to
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a Thanksgiving message from the frontline to the US.



Pretty cool.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:20 pm to


Interesting
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:48 pm to
ISW Update

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ISW is publishing an abbreviated campaign update today, November 27. This report evaluates the defensive positions Russian forces are establishing in eastern Kherson Oblast and what those positions suggest about Russian expectations for future operations in this area.


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The Russian military clearly assesses that Ukrainian forces could cross the Dnipro River and conduct counter-offensive operations in eastern Kherson Oblast, possibly threatening all of the critical ground lines of communications (GLOCs) from Crimea to the mainland.


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This assessment makes no effort to determine whether Ukrainian forces intend to cross or are capable of crossing the Dnipro River in this region and offers no forecast about whether or not they will make any such attempt.




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Russian forces are fortifying their positions along critical GLOCs in eastern Kherson Oblast against a possible future Ukrainian counteroffensive.


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The Russian defensive positions suggest that the Russian military leadership views the prospect of a Ukrainian counteroffensive across the Dnipro River as a serious threat.


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Russian defensive positions are optimized to defend against Ukrainian forces attempting to advance along GLOCs rather than driving cross-country as Ukrainian forces have previously done


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Most of the Russian field fortifications in eastern Kherson are nevertheless optimized to defend against drives along the roads and would be very vulnerable to envelopments across the open countryside


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The tactical vulnerabilities of these defensive positions are mirrored in a similar operational-level vulnerability


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Russian forces may be attempting to delay (slow down) rather than defend against (stop) a Ukrainian offensive on the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River.


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Russian forces have likely deployed mobilized personnel to the primary lines of defense and pulled experienced, professional units to the secondary and tertiary lines of defense, a deployment pattern that could lead to more rapid Ukrainian advances.


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The Russian effort to prepare extensive defensive positions in eastern Kherson, however well or poorly executed, highlights the critical importance this terrain holds for the future course of the war.


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Elements of the Russian information space are beginning to lose faith in Russian forces’ ability to hold key areas in western Zaporizhia Oblast, possibly setting long-term information conditions for a Russian withdrawal from this area


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ISW offers no forecast of future Ukrainian operations and makes no assessment of Ukrainian capabilities to conduct the counter-offensive operations discussed above. The Russian military, however, clearly regards a Ukrainian counter-offensive across the Dnipro and/or via the Kinburn Spit as possible and very dangerous. It has put considerable effort into a defensive array against such possible Ukrainian operations, but that array contains many vulnerabilities that the Ukrainians have shown they can exploit.


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Key inflections in ongoing military operations on November 27:

The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian officials are preparing for another wave of covert mobilization starting on December 10 in the Russian Federation and in Russian-occupied territories in Ukraine.[13]

Russian milbloggers widely criticized the Russian Federal Customs Service for customs delays and exclusions of dual-use goods that volunteer movements have been sending to the Russian military.[14]

The Ukrainian General Staff reported that the Russian forces along the Svatove-Kreminna line are conducting defensive operations around Kupyansk and offensive operations west of Kreminna.[15]

Russian sources reported that Ukrainian troops continued counteroffensive operations toward Svatove and Kreminna.[16]

Russian forces continued offensive operations around Avdiivka.[17] The Ukrainian General Staff did not report that Ukrainian forces repelled any ground attacks around Bakhmut on November 27, suggesting that Russian forces may have advanced in the area.[18]

Russian forces conducted strikes against Dnipro City, Kryvyi Rih, and Zaporizhzhia City.[19]

Russian occupation officials continued to forcibly transfer Ukrainian children from occupied territories in Luhansk Oblast to Russia under the guise that the children require special medical care.[20]
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8619 posts
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:12 pm to
That’s a very large aircraft that can load from it’s nose and it’s tail. If they have made 9 trips with a squadron on those they could bring back a shite ton of munitions.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:17 pm to
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Russian forces are fortifying their positions along critical GLOCs in eastern Kherson Oblast against a possible future Ukrainian counteroffensive.


All that time and effort spent will evaporate as soon as it gets breached at any point and the Russians have Ukes in their wire.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15772 posts
Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:36 pm to
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can load from it’s nose and it’s tail.


Like Russians in the trenches?
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5659 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 6:14 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 28 November 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Despite its liberation by Ukrainian forces on 11 November 2022, Kherson city in southern Ukraine continues to suffer daily bombardment by Russian artillery. On 24 November 2022 alone, 10 people were killed. On 27 November 2022, a recent high of 54 shelling incidents were reported in the area.

The city is vulnerable because it remains in range of most of Russia's artillery systems, now firing from the east bank of the Dnipro River, from the rear of newly consolidated defensive lines.

Much of the damage is likely being inflicted in Kherson by Russia's use of multiple rocket launchers, principally BM-21 Grad systems.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20975 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 7:03 am to
Reuters: LINK

Exclusive: U.S. weighs sending 100-mile strike weapon to Ukraine


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 The Pentagon is considering a Boeing proposal to supply Ukraine with cheap, small precision bombs fitted onto abundantly available rockets, allowing Kyiv to strike far behind Russian lines as the West struggles to meet demand for more arms.

U.S. and allied military inventories are shrinking, and Ukraine faces an increasing need for more sophisticated weapons as the war drags on. Boeing's proposed system, dubbed Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB), is one of about a half-dozen plans for getting new munitions into production for Ukraine and America's Eastern European allies, industry sources said.

GLSDB could be delivered as early as spring 2023, according to a document reviewed by Reuters and three people familiar with the plan. It combines the GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) with the M26 rocket motor, both of which are common in U.S. inventories.




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Although the United States has rebuffed requests for the 185-mile (297km) range ATACMS missile, the GLSDB's 94-mile (150km) range would allow Ukraine to hit valuable military targets that have been out of reach and help it continue pressing its counterattacks by disrupting Russian rear areas.

GLSDB is made jointly by SAAB AB (SAABb.ST) and Boeing Co (BA.N) and has been in development since 2019, well before the invasion, which Russia calls a "special operation". In October, SAAB chief executive Micael Johansson said of the GLSDB: "We are imminently shortly expecting contracts on that."

According to the document - a Boeing proposal to U.S. European Command (EUCOM), which is overseeing weapons headed to Ukraine - the main components of the GLSDB would come from current U.S. stores.

The M26 rocket motor is relatively abundant, and the GBU-39 costs about $40,000 each, making the completed GLSDB inexpensive and its main components readily available. Although arms manufacturers are struggling with demand, those factors make it possible to yield weapons by early 2023, albeit at a low rate of production.

GLSDB is GPS-guided, can defeat some electronic jamming, is usable in all weather conditions, and can be used against armored vehicles, according to SAAB's website. The GBU-39 - which would function as the GLSDB's warhead - has small, folding wings that allow it to glide more than 100km if dropped from an aircraft and targets as small as 3 feet in diameter.




The biggest takeaway is that this would allow Ukraine to strike targets an extra 19 miles further behind enemy lines than HIMARS can. All the ammo depots, equipment repair facilities, and C2 HQ that Russia has built that are just out of HIMARS range? Suddenly in range.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 8:14 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 7:48 am to
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ATACMS missile


They would have these but our inventory for these has always been low.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14818 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 8:16 am to
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quote: ATACMS missile They would have these but our inventory for these has always been low.


Need to send a minimal amount of these. Ukraine needs to hit a few targets deep behind lines. If Russia has no idea how many they have they have to assume they can get hit again and have to position key resources even deeper.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:10 am to
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All that time and effort spent will evaporate as soon as it gets breached at any point and the Russians have Ukes in their wire.



You know what Patton said
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