re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Anyone who thinks or “perceives” that Trump was a supporter of ally of Putin/Russia is a dumbass that is completely ignorant of world affairs.

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Anyone who thinks or “perceives” that Trump was a supporter of ally of Putin/Russia is a dumbass that is completely ignorant of world affairs. That includes Russians and or American leftists.

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Whether the Russians are dumbasses or not is wholly irrelevant to the discussion. They act/react based on their perception so that is what is important in geopolitics.

A portion of the people that claim Russia is not an enemy of the US are the same ones that take issue with Russia seeing Trump as an ally. If one believes the former why should the latter be of any consequence?

This is the problem sending them western fighters anytime in the relative near future. Not only do you have to train their pilots on the operating systems and tactics but you have to train maintenance crews who will be working on them. Realistically western fighters in Ukraine is a 1-3 year goal rather than months. Poland should send their 23 Mig-29s in exchange for some of our f-16s so Poland can officially completely convert to all western aircraft and they already have trained crews and pilots in place to fly them immediately.

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This is the problem sending them western fighters anytime in the relative near future. Not only do you have to train their pilots on the operating systems and tactics but you have to train maintenance crews who will be working on them. Realistically western fighters in Ukraine is a 1-3 year goal rather than months. Poland should send their 23 Mig-29s in exchange for some of our f-16s so Poland can officially completely convert to all western aircraft and they already have trained crews and pilots in place to fly them immediately.

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No one is going to give Ukraine Western fighter aircraft. No one wants to see an F-16 dropping bombs on Russian territory.

Most European countries are already tapped out. Military aid will start to dwindle for Ukraine in the future especially from the Europeans. Even we have limited stockpiles and manufacturing capability.

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SDV,

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STD got banned again?

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People in this thread are reluctant to acknowledge Obama's CIA precipitated the 2014 war with color revolution shite.

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The public was overwhelmingly pro change. Whatever the CIA did was as minor as could be

Does anyone have a list of aircraft goven to Ukraine since the war began?

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No one is going to give Ukraine Western fighter aircraft. No one wants to see an F-16 dropping bombs on Russian territory.

Most European countries are already tapped out. Military aid will start to dwindle for Ukraine in the future especially from the Europeans. Even we have limited stockpiles and manufacturing capability.

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Neither Russia nor the West (especially the US, France, and Germany) really have the appetite for a long war. Neither has the stockpiles or manufacturing capability.

But Ukraine itself and its Eastern European allies do have the appetite. Poland, the Baltics, Czechia, Slovakia, and Finland cannot allow Ukraine to lose. They know that their own security is at stake.

The Dutch hate Russia for shooting down MH-17, and they aren't going to get tired of supporting Ukraine. Russia poisoned three people to death in the UK, which the British regard as a violation of their sovereignty, so they have no illusions about the need to diminish Putin's power. The new Italian prime minister is eager to show her toughness by increasing aid to Ukraine.

The biggest concern has been that the US interest in the war would flag, but the $37 billion package that will pass Congress next month will ensure that plenty of materiel continues to flow to the Ukrainian front lines for at least the next year.

In the meantime, we have reports from western intelligence officials that Russia has less than a month's stockpile left of critical artillery ammo. Russia is begging Iran for missiles and drones, and they are buying what they can from North Korea.

There are clear signs that Russian public opinion is beginning to turn against the war. Every day that Russia fails to make real progress is a day that causes more ordinary Russians why so many of their countrymen are being sacrificed. Sanctions are dragging down the Russian economy, with no end in sight.

In short, Ukraine is much better positioned for the long term than Russia is. The main reason that we haven't given F-16s to Ukraine is that we don't have to.

It’s not so much about western fighters. Even if we agreed right now to send them they wouldn’t matter in this war. I don’t see this stretching more than another year at most and that just isn’t enough time to integrate their pilots to our western systems. In an M109 if the guy makes a mistake he misfires or something like that. In a fighter jet or attack helicopter they make a mistake they die. We won’t hand them over without making sure they are proficient in how to properly fly our aircraft and honestly the main reason for that is we don’t want them to show a poor performance in our aircraft to potential orders from other countries. But I don’t know of a list but they have received around 40-50 Mig-29s and around 20-30 Mi-8/17 helicopters and also a handful of Mi-24 Hind attack helos.

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@saintjavelin On the left is from WW1 On the right is from Bakhmut this week

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