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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:14 am to Lakeboy7
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:14 am to Lakeboy7
Ukraine isn’t getting ATACMS. The DOD and DOS have come out and said as much plenty of times.
It’s become policy that the US will give tactical weapons to Ukraine but not weapons capable of strategic offensive operations.
It’s become policy that the US will give tactical weapons to Ukraine but not weapons capable of strategic offensive operations.
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:15 am to tigeraddict
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Ukraine needs to hit a few targets deep behind lines.
There is speculation that Sapsan missile development continues. If so, it seems likely that they will play a role in the effort to liberate Crimea.
Missiles of Ukraine I - Sapsan
OTRK (Operational-Tactical Missile System) "Sapsan" is a prospective single-stage, solid-fuel, short-range ballistic missile system. It has been under development in various forms since the mid-90s under a variety of names.
ThreadReaderApp Missiles of Ukraine I - Sapsan
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 9:17 am
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:34 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Ukraine isn’t getting ATACMS. The DOD and DOS have come out and said as much plenty of times.
My understanding its an inventory issue not capability issue (in spite of the official explanation).
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:44 am to Lakeboy7
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My understanding its an inventory issue not capability issue (in spite of the official explanation).
Yeah but we’re not giving them anything that could potentially be used to strike Russia proper. No ATACMS, no modern fighter jets. Hell, we’re not even giving them semi modern tanks.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:52 am to Lakeboy7
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You know what Patton said
An army is defeated when it digs in?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:58 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Depends what the new Congress says. We already know that it is pro funding of Ukraine vs Russia, exept for a few oddballs on both sides of the aisle.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:00 am to Lakeboy7
quote:Soldier, goddammit step on it. I’ve got somewhere important to be.
You know what Patton said
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:01 am to CitizenK
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xept for a few oddballs on both sides of the aisle.
The oddball coalition of right-of-center isolationists and “America can do no right” Progressives.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:22 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Skynews take on the "why?" Bahkmut. I think their reasoning comes as no surprise but interesting to hear it articulated.
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This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:23 pm to Obtuse1
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An army is defeated when it digs in?
"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man"
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:26 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Yeah but we’re not giving them anything that could potentially be used to strike Russia proper.
I was actually surprised they ok'ed HIMARS
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:56 pm to Obtuse1
At one time it made sense to be the southern half of a pincer movement with Izyum axis being the other.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:14 pm to CitizenK
man it is really hard for people to seperate politics and this war.
the who EU thread is full of those types.
the who EU thread is full of those types.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:32 pm to lsu777
Propaganda works. We have the blue team against anything the red team is for and vice versa. It’s a bunch of drooling retards that cannot separate what is good from what is bad for their political enemies.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 3:02 pm to HerkFlyer
First image I've seen of a T-62M in Ukrainian service though I don't know why.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 3:14 pm to Burhead
Stationary short range artillery. Well....semi-mobile.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 3:19 pm to Camp Randall
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Propaganda works. We have the blue team against anything the red team is for and vice versa. It’s a bunch of drooling retards that cannot separate what is good from what is bad for their political enemies.
yep
but like take myself for instance...i hate foreign aide of all types, think we should leave the UN, Nato etc.....But
i can freely admit the alternative of letting russia run wild is much worse. I can look and see giving them what they want like in 2014 didnt work. I can admit that strategy has never worked in the past even if i beleive this is a european conflict and should be solved by europe
i can also admit spending less than 5% of the defense budget to destroy 50%+ and counting of russia convential foces is a good roi
i can easily admit that this war has done more to get europe to move away from insane green energy policies than anything else has
i can admit that this has been good for getting nato on board with spending required gdp
i can admit this has given china pause in their goals
i can do all that and still hate biden. i dont understand why its so hard to seperate the things. I dotn like us spending money in ukraine but i have to admit its been a good roi so far and far far better than any of our other foreign aide.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 3:27 pm to lsu777
Go to the political board with this and you’d understand it better
Posted on 11/28/22 at 3:37 pm to lsu777
Yeah it’s a great ROI for the US. Ukraine has wrecked a large portion of Russia’s military that won’t be easily replaced within the next decade without us losing a single American soldier or military equipment from this century.
I usually hate foreign aid, but knocking Russia back a couple of decades without the United States doing any actual fighting is good for the world.
I usually hate foreign aid, but knocking Russia back a couple of decades without the United States doing any actual fighting is good for the world.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/29/22 at 6:10 am to TigersSEC2010
ISW Update
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Recent claims of Russian gains around Bakhmut on November 27 and 28 do not portend an imminent Russian encirclement of Bakhmut.
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Recent Russian force deployments to Belarus in November 2022 are likely part of a Russian effort to augment Russian training capacity and conduct an information operation targeted at Ukraine and the West — not to prepare to attack Ukraine from the north again
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Russian milbloggers widely criticized the Russian Ministry of Defense’s (MoD) decision to place severe customs limits on the import of dual-use goods, demonstrating their continued and pervasive discontent with the Russian MoD’s conduct of the war in Ukraine.
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Russian forces are likely preparing to launch a new wave of missile strikes across Ukraine in the coming week, but such preparations are likely intended to sustain the recent pace of strikes instead of escalating it due to continued constraints on Russia’s missile arsenal
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Increased speculation in the Russian information space about Russian preparations to withdraw from the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) prompted a Kremlin response on November 28.
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Key Takeaways
The Russian-claimed capture of several small villages around Bakhmut on November 27 and 28 does not portend an imminent Russian encirclement of Bakhmut.
Recent Russian force deployments to Belarus in November 2022 are likely part of a Russian effort to augment Russian training capacity and conduct an information operation.
Russian milbloggers widely criticized the Russian Ministry of Defense’s (MoD) decision to place severe customs limits on the import of dual-use goods, indicating a continued and pervasive discontent with the Russian MoD’s conduct of the war in Ukraine.
Russian forces are likely preparing to launch a new wave of missile strikes across Ukraine in the coming week, but such preparations are likely intended to sustain the recent pace of strikes rather than increase it.
Russian forces continued efforts to defend against Ukrainian counteroffensive operations around Svatove as Russian sources reported that Ukrainian troops continued counteroffensive west of Kreminna.
Russian forces made incremental gains south of Bakhmut.
Russian forces continued to strengthen fortified positions and establish security measures in eastern Kherson Oblast.
Ukrainian forces continued to strike Russian military assets and along critical logistics lines in southern Ukraine.
Russian forces continue to face issues with adequate training and equipment and challenges with morale and discipline as Russian military failures have significant domestic social impacts.
Russian occupation authorities continued efforts to facilitate the integration of educational systems in occupied Ukraine into the Russian system.
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