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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/17/22 at 7:00 am to cypher
Posted on 11/17/22 at 7:00 am to cypher
Next Hot Spot? Dnipro River Crossing at Nova Kakhovka
By Stefan Korshak.
Published Nov. 17 at 11:15 am
As Kyiv and Moscow redeploy forces and seek new objectives following the Armed Forces of Ukraine’s (AFU) liberation of the city of Kherson last week, a hydroelectric dam and the towns around it are already a new focus for fighting and, possibly, the scene of a surprise AFU crossing of the Dnipro River.
For an offensively-minded AFU looking to move south and press its attack against retreating RF forces, officers in the southern sector told Kyiv Post that the Nova Kakhovka causeway has possibly become the most critical terrain, right now, along the entire fighting front in Ukraine. The AFU is well-equipped with assault bridges and construction engineers, they said, so if the Ukrainian army were to take control of the immediate vicinity, and push the Russians out, the gap could be spanned in hours.
The AFU has slapped a blanket ban on news reports from the region, citing a need to protect the security of ongoing operations. A Nov. 15 statement from the AFU’s Joint Forces South (JFS) confirmed strikes were in progress and that the AFU’s main objectives at present are the destruction of RF troops and ammunition depots. There was no mention of river crossings or ground fighting around Nova Kakhovka.
Kyiv Post
By Stefan Korshak.
Published Nov. 17 at 11:15 am
As Kyiv and Moscow redeploy forces and seek new objectives following the Armed Forces of Ukraine’s (AFU) liberation of the city of Kherson last week, a hydroelectric dam and the towns around it are already a new focus for fighting and, possibly, the scene of a surprise AFU crossing of the Dnipro River.
For an offensively-minded AFU looking to move south and press its attack against retreating RF forces, officers in the southern sector told Kyiv Post that the Nova Kakhovka causeway has possibly become the most critical terrain, right now, along the entire fighting front in Ukraine. The AFU is well-equipped with assault bridges and construction engineers, they said, so if the Ukrainian army were to take control of the immediate vicinity, and push the Russians out, the gap could be spanned in hours.
The AFU has slapped a blanket ban on news reports from the region, citing a need to protect the security of ongoing operations. A Nov. 15 statement from the AFU’s Joint Forces South (JFS) confirmed strikes were in progress and that the AFU’s main objectives at present are the destruction of RF troops and ammunition depots. There was no mention of river crossings or ground fighting around Nova Kakhovka.
Kyiv Post
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 7:09 am to StormyMcMan
Look at your pocket change lately. I’m finding more “wheat” pennies than ever before.
My wife went grocery shopping today and there were no Corn Flakes, but the shelves were stocked with Wheaties.
I went to Waffle House yesterday and they were out of grits, but I warmed up fast with a bowl of Cream of Wheat.
Hmmmmmmmmm
My wife went grocery shopping today and there were no Corn Flakes, but the shelves were stocked with Wheaties.
I went to Waffle House yesterday and they were out of grits, but I warmed up fast with a bowl of Cream of Wheat.
Hmmmmmmmmm
Posted on 11/17/22 at 7:52 am to stout
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stout
Zelensky broke this dude. Pretty tough to watch tbh.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 7:55 am to ned nederlander
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About the only thing more hypocritical would be telling me you do blow but also want to stop the waves of humanity from trafficking across our southern border.
Clearly you must’ve missed those melts too
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:18 am to CitizenK
Should have a Citizen vs. OML thread. we could throw in a subject and let you cats go at it.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:23 am to Pfft
Haven't kept strong tabs on this thread in the past month or so. Is oml still thinking there will be international food shortage by the end of October? Sure hope he isn't right.
Oh wait.
Oh wait.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:26 am to cypher
Any new update maps out there?
Would be interested to see how many of the missiles were intercepted.
Would also be interesting to know if Russia is testing the air defenses or the are throwing everything they have missile wise at Ukraine.
I am sure no one knows exactly what their inventory is.
Half of the stock pile could have been sold on the black market over the years.
Would be interested to see how many of the missiles were intercepted.
Would also be interesting to know if Russia is testing the air defenses or the are throwing everything they have missile wise at Ukraine.
I am sure no one knows exactly what their inventory is.
Half of the stock pile could have been sold on the black market over the years.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:31 am to Pfft
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Should have a Citizen vs. OML thread. we could throw in a subject and let you cats go at it.
OML will come down from his manic episode yesterday and we won’t see him until his next one. It’s a pretty established pattern at this point
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:42 am to Pfft
OML better get plenty of his booger sugar first.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:50 am to Pfft
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Any new update maps out there?
There haven't been any significant changes since the fall of Kherson. Ukraine is still making some progress towards Svatove in the Luhansk region, and Russia has made minor advances into Pavlivka (southwest of the city of Donetsk). After finally taking the area around the Donetsk airport (contested since 2014), Russia has moved into the nearby town of Opytne (north of the city).
But none of these are changes that you'd see on any map, unless it was zoomed way in.
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Would also be interesting to know if Russia is testing the air defenses or the are throwing everything they have missile wise at Ukraine.
I am sure no one knows exactly what their inventory is.
The new Western air defense systems are working, especially the NASAMS donated by the US and Norway, and the IRIS-T systems made by Germany. In Kyiv yesterday, they were 10 for 10 in hitting Russian missiles ( here's a video of one intercept).
Unfortunately, Ukraine is still a long ways from having enough of these systems to protect the whole country. Russia targeted a factory in the city of Dnipro yesterday (which was probably making weapons, so this was a legit military target, in contrast to a lot of Russian targets), and some 8 people were killed.
Western intelligence estimates are that Russia now only has about 100 precision-guided missiles left, and Russian production lines have almost completely stalled out on these as a result of the sanctions. But, of course, Russia is trying to buy more PGMs from Iran, so they may be able to get more.
But everyone agrees that Russia can't continue to fire missiles at anything like the current rate. Russia is likely firing everything it's got now, before more Western air defense systems arrive and basically make it impossible for Russia to efficiently hit any targets in Ukraine.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:51 am to Obtuse1
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Solovyov had some words about Trump this morning.
Thanks for sharing this. From watching the video, it seemed like he was more disappointed that the red wave did not materialize. And he is correct to question the timing, but he already has his answer - to rain on Desantis’ parade.
Just like college football fans, people criticize the teams they are rooting for the most…
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:05 am to AGGIES
Has Stidham8 weighed in on the next steps in Putin's 9-month feint?
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:19 am to GOP_Tiger
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U.S. Army announces this morning a new contract with Lockheed Martin to boost HIMARS ammo production in light of the war in Ukraine.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:22 am to TideCPA
He still thinks Russia winning the war is imminent.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:28 am to GOP_Tiger
Russia is finally attacking the Ukrainian infrastructure. Why didn’t they do that day one?
1) Day one air defenses were not neatly established.
2) Shock and awe could gave really have demoralized their enemy and weakened their resolve.
3) Attacking on day one would certainly have helped their attacking forces more than its helping their forces now as they retreat or re-entrench.
It seems to me that Russia besides not being as strong as advertised, they also half-assed their initial invasion and that opportunity was clearly botched.
Russia=4&8
1) Day one air defenses were not neatly established.
2) Shock and awe could gave really have demoralized their enemy and weakened their resolve.
3) Attacking on day one would certainly have helped their attacking forces more than its helping their forces now as they retreat or re-entrench.
It seems to me that Russia besides not being as strong as advertised, they also half-assed their initial invasion and that opportunity was clearly botched.
Russia=4&8
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:32 am to doubleb
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Russia is finally attacking the Ukrainian infrastructure. Why didn’t they do that day one?
1) Day one air defenses were not neatly established.
2) Shock and awe could gave really have demoralized their enemy and weakened their resolve.
3) Attacking on day one would certainly have helped their attacking forces more than its helping their forces now as they retreat or re-entrench.
It seems to me that Russia besides not being as strong as advertised, they also half-assed their initial invasion and that opportunity was clearly botched.
Russia=4&8
Because in their arrogance they thought that it would be a minimal effort to defeat Ukraine in a couple of weeks. With that view, why would you want to destroy infrastructure that will just be yours shortly?
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:35 am to doubleb
Bombing civilian infrastructure serves very little purpose:
- it expends already limited stockpiles on non-military targets
- it sows resentment and resolve amongst Ukrainians
- looks bad geopolitically and is technically a war crime.
It didn’t make sense for the russians 8 months ago (especially when the goal was regime change) and it doesn’t make sense now.
- it expends already limited stockpiles on non-military targets
- it sows resentment and resolve amongst Ukrainians
- looks bad geopolitically and is technically a war crime.
It didn’t make sense for the russians 8 months ago (especially when the goal was regime change) and it doesn’t make sense now.
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 9:36 am
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:38 am to SoonerK
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Because in their arrogance they thought that it would be a minimal effort to defeat Ukraine in a couple of weeks. With that view, why would you want to destroy infrastructure that will just be yours shortly?
I think you nailed it. That line of thinking cost them dearly.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:40 am to doubleb
Good news out of Holland today as 3 of the 4 defendants (including our boy, Girkin) were found guilty in absentia of taking down the Malaysian airliner MH-17 in 2014 with a Buk. If Girkin really is at the front (and not just no longer warblogging), if captured now he won't just be a POW but a convicted murderer of 298 likely to be extradited to spend the rest of his life in a Dutch prison.
LINK
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MH17: Three guilty as court finds Russia-controlled group downed airliner
A Dutch court has found three men guilty of murder for shooting down a passenger jet over eastern Ukraine in 2014, killing 298 people.The court found that a Russian-made missile supplied from Russia and fired by an armed group under Russian control brought down flight MH17.
The men - two Russians and one Ukrainian - were found guilty in absentia and sentenced to life in jail. A third Russian was acquitted. The missile attack was one of the most notorious war crimes in Ukraine before allegations of atrocities there became an almost daily reality.
Many of the victims' relatives believe if the world had reacted differently, and taken a tougher stance against Russia eight years ago, the invasion of Ukraine and the geopolitical instability that has followed could have been avoided.
The judges ruled that it was a deliberate action to bring down a plane, even though the three found guilty had intended to shoot down a military not a civilian aircraft.
-Igor Girkin, the military leader of the so-called Donetsk People's Republic, was convicted of deploying the missile and seeking Russian help
-Sergei Dubinsky was found to have ordered and overseen the transport of the Buk missile launcher
-Leonid Kharchenko was found to have overseen the Buk, acting on Dubinsky's instructions.
-Oleg Pulatov was the only one of the four accused to have legal representation at the trial. The judges acquitted him, although they found he knew about the missile.
LINK
This post was edited on 11/17/22 at 10:39 am
Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:42 am to TacoNash
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OML will come down from his manic episode yesterday and we won’t see him until his next one. It’s a pretty established pattern at this point
Cataclysmic event of the day grabs all his attention. When you don't hear from him, something else was more important than World War III (the gays, Amazon's LOTR series, Elon owns a lib, Fauci must die).
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