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Posted on 10/17/22 at 6:59 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 6:59 pm to
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Does Elon even know that Ukraine had leased the base at Sevastopol to Russia and Russia abused that lease.

What a twatwad.
Gosh, if only Musk had some "Jewish biz friends," or a bunch of acquaintances in industry, he'd know nearly as much about the Sevastopol lease as you.

What a world that would be, eh?
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 6:59 pm to
Wow i cant believe Zelenski has had time to even write a new book! Impressive! And just in time for the holidays. That is great.

LINK
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Penguin Random House plans to publish wartime monologues from Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy in a collection titled “A Message from Ukraine.” The book is due out on Dec. 6.

“Supporting Ukraine is not a trend, a meme or a viral challenge,” the 44-year-old world leader said in a statement published by Crown, the imprint publishing the book.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:01 pm to
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The point is that given the stakes, one fellow is ready and willing to kill, and give up his life. To the other, she's little more than a roll in the hay. Choosing to fight for her will get him shot in the head. Not a great choice.


Both have guns pointed at each other's heads across the room, one is a Nighthawk Custom .44 Mag and the other is a clapped-out High Standard .45 and you want the guy with the Nighthawk to bend the knee.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:01 pm to
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Coverage didnt extend to Russian controlled areas.

Like I said ... perhaps if you take a third stab at reading it?
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:01 pm to
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Gosh, if only Musk had some "Jewish biz friends," or a bunch of acquaintances in industry, he'd know nearly as much about the Sevastopol lease as you.



2014 never happened? The point is that this was never about Russia having a base in Crimea. it's always been about creeping and taking all of Ukraine. Musk is being Mr. Half Truths here
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:01 pm to
how many times do we think heil hitler will be quoted?
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:03 pm to
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heil hitler


Hitler really believed in what he was doing so that excuses the genocide.

Conviction is the key.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:13 pm to
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Both have guns pointed at each other's heads across the room
Like I said, change the analogy anyway you'd like. The point is the husband's stakes are much higher. He is ready and willing to pull the trigger. To the other guy, she's just some girl. Suddenly, he is in a life-threatening situation over a woman he doesn't really care anything about. As he contemplates a way out, the woman's husband is so pissed he's squeezing the trigger.

Ukraine is far more important to Russia than it is to the West.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:20 pm to
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Ukraine is far more important to Russia than it is to the West.

So the West should just step aside?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:22 pm to
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The point is the husband's stakes are much higher. He is ready and willing to pull the trigger. To the other guy, she's just some girl.


Some girl he would let be murdered by her husband. Lol. If he is not human, maybe your analogy would work better, but at this point you've made Russia sound so psychotic that one wonders whether any negotiation would work. Not only that, the agency of the woman is curiously absent, which seems an apt description of how you think geopolitics works.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:22 pm to
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So the West should just step aside?

Define "step aside"
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:38 pm to
Ukraine downed a Russian Su-34 today.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:46 pm to
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Ukraine is far more important to Russia than it is to the West.

Then you and your buddies in Iran can fire missiles into residential areas of Ukraine to prove how important Ukraine is to you.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:46 pm to
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Not to continue to press on Elon, but is anyone suspicious as to why once the Pentagon made preparations to fully fund Starlink in Ukraine, Elon immediately withdrew his request for funding (under the guise of doing good deeds)?

I'm suspicious he wants to continue being a major player in this conflict, having autonomy over service rendered in the warzone. My hope is that no reason other than a savior complex exist for this move.


This sparked my curiosity so I started digging for what logically Elon could see as a future gain to help motivate him. Something particularly important to him. Like maybe lithium…

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According to preliminary estimates, researchers believe that Ukraine is a treasure trove of lithium, holding about 500,000 tons of the “non-renewable mineral that makes renewable energy possible.” Lithium has become virtually irreplaceable in electric vehicle (EV) batteries because of its efficient energy storage per unit of weight. Skyrocketing global demand growth for lithium is estimated to range from 400% to 4,000% in coming years. Demand will outpace supply and, without more investment in mining capacity, costs could become prohibitive to EV adoption. Elon Musk’s dream of lowering prices to attract new customers was already crushed when Tesla announced a price hike of over $2,370 for its Model Y vehicle soon after the crisis began.

Lithium is critical to a successful clean energy future. Losing access to one of the largest potential sources of lithium oxide in the world has raised concerns about the world’s ability to bridge the gap in supply. What we need now is a greater focus on domestic lithium extraction, especially as countries realize the immense risk of internationalized global energy supplies. But in the United States, for example, lithium mining is an extremely contentious topic. Ironically, traditional lithium extraction causes substantial damage to the environment, contaminating local groundwater and potentially killing threatened species.


Klieman Dept of Energy - UPenn

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But the Russian invasion has come just as Ukraine, under President Volodymyr Zelensky, was trying to position itself as a major player in the clean energy transition — an evolution for a country that long built its economy on coal, iron, titanium and other legacy industries.


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Late last year, Ukraine started to auction off exploration permits to develop its lithium reserves, as well as copper, cobalt and nickel. All are natural resources that play critical roles in the clean energy technology essential to the shift away from fossil fuels that scientists say is necessary to ward off the worst consequences of climate change.

The move holds a “strategic importance for the establishment of Ukraine on the global stage, in a new role,” Roman Opimakh, head of the State Geological Service of Ukraine, said last May at a flagship presentation for global investors. Dig deeper into the moment.

Ukraine’s potential for lithium production had started to attract global attention. In November, European Lithium, an Australian firm, said it was in the process of securing rights to two promising lithium deposits in the Donetsk region, in eastern Ukraine, and Kirovograd, in the center of the country. The company said at the time it aimed to become Europe’s largest lithium supplier.


Before Invasion, Ukraine’s Lithium Wealth Was Drawing Global Attention - NYT

We’ve all focused on O&G and Ukraine has large lithium reserves among other minerals necessary for EVs. Obviously Elon is the major player in that market that is very dependent on lithium, most of which is presently mined from undesirable countries like China and DRC.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:48 pm to
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Some girl he would let be murdered by her husband.

While you're embellishing, maybe you should introduce gender identity issues, a few animals, and zoophilia in the mix?

But the point at hand is Ukraine remains far more important to Russia than it does to the west.

Yet we are toying with WWIII?
All because Ukraine does not want to allow self-determination of its Eastern oblasts, and wants to be a member of the NATO alliance.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139019 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:51 pm to
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Then you and your buddies in Iran can fire missiles into residential areas of Ukraine to prove how important Ukraine is to you.
Ah yes, right after you and your buddies torture and murder your Russian POWs on film? Is that how this works?
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8618 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:52 pm to
Russia made noise pulling about 300 MiG-29 fighters out of long term storage that haven’t flown in over a decade. The only problem is out of those 300 aircraft only about 60 can actually even get in the air. You can’t make this shite up if you tried. Russia should have an entire season of episodes just to themselves of Hoarders.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28587 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:53 pm to
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Ah yes, right after you and your buddies torture and murder your Russian POWs on film? Is that how this works?

You are now firmly on the side of Russia and Iran. I have no time for your silliness.You are lost
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21129 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:55 pm to
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All because Ukraine does not want to allow self-determination of its Eastern oblasts, and wants to be a member of the NATO alliance.

How much of the southwest are you willing to cede back to Mexico exactly
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 7:56 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:58 pm to
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You'd be good with mutually assured destruction to prevent self-determination of Russian ethnics in Donbas? Really?


Yeah, imagine sitting in your back yard and then realizing that a nuclear missile just hit your community and you died over this bullshite. But these fricks are too shitfaced on war to consider anything to the contrary.

Tim Dillon’s epic hour long rant on this war

The MSM isn’t reporting on it, but these lunatics think Ukraine is on the verge of winning the war and Putin will do an unconditional surrender. Yeah, sure that’s going to happen:

Nine minute clip from rant
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