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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:22 am to ridlejs
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:22 am to ridlejs
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painted himself into a corner
He really did. Now he's forced himself into a position where he'd presumably have to trade away parts of what he's just said are parts of mother Russia that must be defended. And of course nothing in the newly-occupied Crimea is any more rightfully Russia's than these newly seized territories and if anything the new annexation makes Crimea look even less legit. Hopefully cooler heads in Russia will take him out before he does something stupid.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 9:28 am
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:23 am to Obtuse1
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Get Gordon and Get it Done.
A lot of money to be made from big Russian tobacco with all the smoking mishaps.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:32 am to TigerDoc
Zelensky: Ukraine applies for fast-track NATO accession
September 30, 2022 5:19 pm
In a video address on Sept. 30, President Volodymyr Zelensky said Ukraine has applied for NATO membership. The country, according to him, can count on the NATO fast-track accession.
"De facto, we have already become a NATO ally. We trust each other, we help each other, and we protect each other. This is the Alliance," Zelensky said. "Today Ukraine submits an application to make this de jure. (Our accession) would be a formal solidifying of the real state of things we've already achieved."
In his speech, Zelensky said that Ukraine is ready for peace talks with Russia but with a different Russian president.
The Kyiv Independent
September 30, 2022 5:19 pm
In a video address on Sept. 30, President Volodymyr Zelensky said Ukraine has applied for NATO membership. The country, according to him, can count on the NATO fast-track accession.
"De facto, we have already become a NATO ally. We trust each other, we help each other, and we protect each other. This is the Alliance," Zelensky said. "Today Ukraine submits an application to make this de jure. (Our accession) would be a formal solidifying of the real state of things we've already achieved."
In his speech, Zelensky said that Ukraine is ready for peace talks with Russia but with a different Russian president.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:36 am to Chromdome35
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. But at the moment, the Liman defensive line has narrowed to the administrative boundaries of the city itself.
At less than 10 sq. Miles that’s got to be uncomfortably tight.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:52 am to Obtuse1
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:52 am to ridlejs
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At the end of the day, an authoritarian's main goal is to stay in power.
Setting off a justified nuclear retaliation that not even China would have the balls to stand with Putin on is a surefire way to NOT stay in power much longer imo.
Hell, as sycophantic as his close network is, I suspect he’d be taken out internally before that were to happen.
Putin is certainly decoupled from reality at this point, but I don’t think he’s suicidal
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:55 am to cypher
No way NATO approves them right now
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:56 am to Obtuse1
The entire Russian mobilization looks like enlistment scenes from Stripes. But whereas America has a wealth of Sargent Hulka’s to turn a group of misfits into a fighting force, Russia’s version of this story is pure tragedy.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:58 am to sta4ever
I'm really starting to wonder if this conflict will indeed go global.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:00 am to Bronc
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UN and NATO to make “unprecedented” response at 12:30
Maybe it will just be a link to the FAFO graph.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:02 am to RollTide1987
From that perspective, this is undoubtedly the most dangerous phase of the war to date.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:02 am to Bronc
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Setting off a justified nuclear retaliation that not even China would have the balls to stand with Putin on is a surefire way to NOT stay in power much longer imo.
Right. But throwing a hail mary to try and make the west think he would go nuclear, so that they stand down could be his only chance to retain power. Not saying this is whats going on, but at least its not suicidal like an actual nuclear conflict would be. I don't know what cards he has left to play to remain in power honestly. I think his regime's obituary has been written with this gross miscalculation.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:03 am to RollTide1987
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I'm really starting to wonder if this conflict will indeed go global.
Who else outside of the region really wants to ramp things up?
It won't be China so we can scratch them off the list.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:06 am to Bronc
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UN and NATO to make “unprecedented” response at 12:30
Biden should really be making this response from Kyiv. And the statement should include F-16s, Leopard 2 tanks, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, ATACMS, and a promise to level Russian military installations if nuclear weapons are used.
Also, it should include a complete ban on trade with Russia and pressure on other nations to cut economic ties.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:09 am to RollTide1987
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I'm really starting to wonder if this conflict will indeed go global.
If so, it will be Russia against the rest of the globe. They are holding a losing hand, and everyone knows it. After today, even China and India can't remain friends anymore.
Edit: OK, they'll probably have Iran.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 10:13 am
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:10 am to Chromdome35
I’d be interested to know just how many of our boomers are lurking near Russian waters right now.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:13 am to notiger1997
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Who else outside of the region really wants to ramp things up?
It won't be China so we can scratch them off the list.
I really don't think anyone wants it to ramp up.
The US and NATO's response to the annexation has the potential to escalate the situation. Providing ATACMS or other advanced systems would be an escalation.
There is an old cold war term that is appropriate here: Brinkmanship.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:13 am to notiger1997
quote:Even the usual lapdogs (Cuba, Syria, NK, Venezuela) are silent on the annexation announcement.
Who else outside of the region really wants to ramp things up?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:14 am to GOP_Tiger
Of course:@GDarkconrad
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#Putin is wearing today the beautiful Patek Philippe perpetual calendar, the current price exceeds €80,000, I had seen Putin before wearing the Gold version, but never in white gold.
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