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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:06 am to ned nederlander
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:06 am to ned nederlander
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I also don’t think the fighting around kherson is/was a feint. That’s a real campaign to evict Russia. I do think there was a feint in terms of that being presented as the main thrust. Before the Kharkiv offensive there were stories about American war gamers convincing Ukraine to pursue a limited counter offensive. I do believe the Russians had no idea what was coming in the east this week.
Those stories are true according to my sauce(s). The Ukrainians had planned a smaller offensive/push for Izyum, but when the Ukrainians saw that the Russians had pulled out and only left separist militia manning the line and only military police patrolling villages behind the lines. The American war games and planners in Kyiv said “Forget what we said earlier, push here and push hard because it’s likely that the whole front could fall in a little over a week.” Ukraine had already decided to do that, but I am told that they were glad that tge Americans came around because the American “advisers” are basically running the logistics system for the Ukrainians.
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Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:13 am to WeeWee
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I am told that they were glad that tge Americans came around because the American “advisers” are basically running the logistics system for the Ukrainians.
Glad to see that this is the case. This is where America can be the most helpful. It has been the achilles heel for both Russia and Ukraine being rail centric
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:20 am to CitizenK
I expect as the dust clears from the offensive, we'll start seeing a goal-post moving similar to what we saw with the abandonment of the northern front early in the war with Russia govt & media and board Russophiles claiming the Donbas Oblasts & the South and not Kharkiv are and have always been the true objectives.
This post was edited on 9/11/22 at 9:22 am
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:22 am to StormyMcMan
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Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:30 am to TacoNash
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Russian Ministry of Defense now confirming that they have left the whole are of Kharkiv Oblast West of Oskil River.
Here is the response of the ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine who actually Russians who just have not figured out that they want to be Russians yet.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:32 am to Athanatos
Do not worry soon Stidham8 will be here to explain it to us.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:33 am to TigerDoc
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I expect as the dust clears from the offensive, we'll start seeing a goal-post moving similar to what we saw with the abandonment of the northern front early in the war with Russia govt & media and board Russophiles claiming the Donbas Oblasts & the South and not Kharkiv are and have always been the true objectives.
Well if the reports are true that Putin is now getting major pushback from people he considered to be allies it may not be long before they are suing for peace and he is locked away in his villa.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:36 am to Palmetto98
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Ghost of Kiev disagrees
Unfortunately the Ghost of Kyiv is dead. He was experiencing severe constipation from a month of eating nothing but MREs. He was in a dogfight with a Russian Mig and his colon ruptured due to G-forces. He killed the Russian Mig which was his 114th kill of the war but was unable to survive the infection that set in after his colon ruptured.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:39 am to Dr RC
The Ukrainian demands for peace are going to be a very hard pill for Russia to swallow.
1) Reparations for the damage
2) Withdrawal to the 1991 boundaries including withdrawal from Crimea
3) Prosecution of Russian war crimes
Ukraine has the upper hand there is no reason for them to give Russia an out now.
1) Reparations for the damage
2) Withdrawal to the 1991 boundaries including withdrawal from Crimea
3) Prosecution of Russian war crimes
Ukraine has the upper hand there is no reason for them to give Russia an out now.
This post was edited on 9/11/22 at 10:16 am
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:52 am to Chromdome35
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). Withdrawal to the 1991 boundaries including withdrawal from Crimea
This one specifically I would love to be a fly on the wall over. I don't see either party budging body count be damned
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:59 am to StormyMcMan
I think so too. The Russians seem to view Crimea as essential for control of the Black Sea.
There are also significant oil resources at stake that both countries will need.
If Russia had just left well enough alone they would have been so much better off (own Crimea instead of likely losing it by the end of this conflict).
There are also significant oil resources at stake that both countries will need.
If Russia had just left well enough alone they would have been so much better off (own Crimea instead of likely losing it by the end of this conflict).
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:06 am to StormyMcMan
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). Withdrawal to the 1991 boundaries including withdrawal from Crimea
This one specifically I would love to be a fly on the wall over. I don't see either party budging body count be damned
The Ukrainian position is that this one has to occur before Ukraine will negotiate the peace. It (#2) also includes the destruction of the Kerch Bridge.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:10 am to RLDSC FAN
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The #UkrainianCounteroffensive in #Kharkiv Oblast is routing Russian forces and collapsing Russia’s northern #Donbas axis. #Russian forces are not conducting a controlled withdrawal and are hurriedly fleeing southeastern Kharkiv Oblast to escape encirclement around #Izyum.
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Ukrainian forces have penetrated Russian lines to a depth of up to 70 kilometers in some places and liberated over 3,000 sq. km. of territory in the past five days since September 6 – more territory than Russian forces have captured in all their operations since April.
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Ukrainian forces will likely capture the city of #Izyum itself in the next 48 hours if they have not already done so. Its liberation would be the most significant Ukrainian military achievement since winning the Battle of Kyiv in March.
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The Russian MoD did not acknowledge Ukrainian successes around Kharkiv Oblast as the primary factor for the Russian retreat and claimed that Russian military command has been carrying out a controlled withdrawal from the Balakliya-Izyum area.
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The Russian MoD falsely claimed that Russian forces undertook a number of demonstrative actions and used artillery and aviation to ensure the safety of withdrawing Russian forces. These Russian statements have no relation to the situation on the ground.
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The Russian MoD’s inability to admit Russian failures in Kharkiv Oblast and effectively set information conditions is collapsing the Russian information space.
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Kremlin-sponsored propagandists offered a variety of confusing explanations for Ukrainian successes ranging from justifications that Russian forces are fighting against the entire Western Bloc, to downplaying the importance of Russian ground lines of communication in Kupyansk.
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The Kremlin’s propagandists were unusually disorganized in their narratives, with some confirming the liberation of certain towns and others refuting such reports. Guest experts also were unable to reaffirm the hosts’ narratives that Ukrainian successes are not significant.
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Such programming may reveal the true progress of the Russian “special military operation” to the general Russian public that relies on state media and the Russian MoD for updates.
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The withdrawal announcement further alienated the Russian milblogger and Russian nationalist communities who condemned the Russian MoD for remaining quiet, choosing self-isolation, and distorting situational awareness in Russia.
The Institute for the Study of War
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:12 am to Chromdome35
I posted this yesterday...page 1667
Girkin says the Ukrainians are starting to build up forces in this area now.
https://t.me/strelkovii/3215
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I don't know if they can manage it, but if the Ukrainians have the troops and firepower to do so, now would be a perfect time to launch an attack on Melitopol and Mariupol from the Zaporizhzhia direction. The Russian army is posed to totally collapse.
Girkin says the Ukrainians are starting to build up forces in this area now.
https://t.me/strelkovii/3215
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There is a growing wave of reports about the concentration of enemy forces in the Ugledar direction. (They come to me too, I take not only from the Internet).
In our country - as far as I know (firsthand) - in this section the picture is not much different from the one that took place in the Balakleya region a week ago. I can’t give details, who needs it - I informed.
From the enemy's point of view, a strike in this direction is quite logical - until the command of the RF Armed Forces managed to withdraw reserves there from the abandoned Kharkov region. And it promises excellent prospects - with a breakthrough to the coast of the Sea of ??\u200b\u200bAzov and directly to Volnovakha and Mariupol. With luck, the front can collapse in the same way as under Izyum.
And, by the way, strikes in other directions of the Zaporizhzhya Front - in the area of ??Pologi - Gulyai-Pole are not excluded at all.
At the expense of information replicated on the Internet about the abandonment of the RF Armed Forces of Volchansk and Cossack Lopan, I have no information.
This post was edited on 9/11/22 at 10:15 am
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:15 am to molsusports
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f Russia had just left well enough alone they would have been so much better off (own Crimea instead of likely losing it by the end of this conflict
They could be lucky this is all they could lose due to the conflict. The federation could encounter another schism and split yet again if another power struggle happens from a caliper of Purim’s party.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:17 am to CitizenK
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Glad to see that this is the case. This is where America can be the most helpful. It has been the achilles heel for both Russia and Ukraine being rail centric
1. That is not going to change anytime soon. The road network in Ukraine is worse than shitty. Most of the roads are two lane roads with lanes that are only about 9 feet wide with bridges that were built during the time of the USSR and have not been properly maintained.
2. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians know that both sides are dependent upon rail road, but the Russians withdrew without blowing bridges, sabotaging the tracks, or even taking the time to block the tracks. Which is just more evidence against the idea that Russia was making an organized withdrawal to better defensive positions.
3. Both Ukraine and Russia are dependent upon railroads, but at least Ukraine has adopted modern shipping practices. Ukraine has at least slapped barcodes onto wooden crates of Soviet made equipment and loaded those crates into shipping containers which can be offloaded from trains straight to trucks heading towards the front. Not to mention that western advisors from western militaries and western civilian freight railroads have come to Ukraine over the last 8 years and especially the last 6 months and set up computer systems to help control scheduling, dispatching, and signaling so that passenger trains, civilian freight trains, and military trains can use the same tracks day and night and set the priority for which train has the ROW. Russia on the other hand is still using the old philosophy up build up massive ammo/supply dumps so that the front has everything it needs, using paper and clipboards to keep track of everything, and has not adopted modern practices and it's still having to schedule its by blocking off certain time of day for civilian passenger trains to have the ROW, another block for civilian passenger trains to have the ROW, and another time of day for military trains to have the ROW. Which makes supplying an army in the field much more challenging and inefficient.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:28 am to tigeraddict
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f Russia had just left well enough alone they would have been so much better off (own Crimea instead of likely losing it by the end of this conflict
They could be lucky this is all they could lose due to the conflict. The federation could encounter another schism and split yet again if another power struggle happens from a caliper of Purim’s party.
I'll do one better. They could have just invaded only the LPR and DPR areas and nothing would have happened. No one in the west wanted to anything initially due to the announced focus. Its when they went outside of that area that the west started with sanctions and military donations.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:31 am to WeeWee
Meanwhile at a Russian depot....
I need 10 cases of tank sabot rounds.
Well, I have 10 cases of caviar but the appointed head of this Oblast has left for Russia, but no tank ammo at all.
I need 10 cases of tank sabot rounds.
Well, I have 10 cases of caviar but the appointed head of this Oblast has left for Russia, but no tank ammo at all.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:32 am to StormyMcMan
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:34 am to CitizenK
I found the video I saw and it is the one mentioned here. So not from Izium.
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