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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:06 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:06 pm to Obtuse1
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You don't just retreat from well-prepped tunnel and bunker complexes without something coming at you that you seriously don't like.
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Izyum was getting surrounded. Would have been utterly stupid to stay.
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Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:07 pm to Lakeboy7
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You are suggesting a strategic retreat, you take your equipment with you. Because wherever you turnaround you are going to need that.
Looks like they didnt have time and or supplies to get it all out.
Which seems plausible for sure
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:07 pm to Lakeboy7
Let’s say Ukraine takes back all or most of their territory, what does the security situation in Eastern Europe look like after that?
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:08 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
This thread will be active for years to come. That place is going to be a blood pit.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:08 pm to Obtuse1
It could be they just wanted to talk…..like that commercial with the football housewife rushing at the QB……”I just want to talk!!!”
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:09 pm to JayDeerTay84
His point is that in a “strategic retreat” you take all your shite with you in order to prepare a defense or or counterattack somewhere else.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:09 pm to JayDeerTay84
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1568720582979756032
Rybars commentary
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Late night map from Russian Rybar. It seems to confirm more gains today as AFU are directly next to Velikyi Burluk in Kharkiv Oblast, according to the map.
Rybars commentary
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?????????? Attack on Donbass: situation in eastern Ukraine
by the end of September 10, 2022
??In Kharkiv direction:
The armed forces of the Russian Federation were withdrawn from a significant part of the liberated territories of the Kharkov region in order to save the lives of the personnel and avoid losses.
At the moment, units of the RF Armed Forces are on the defensive along the eastern bank of the Oskol River. Separate maneuver groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine allegedly reach the Russian border, but in fact, the confirmed zone of conditional control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine remains until the Khotomlya-Bolshoy Burluk line.
Russian troops are trying to stabilize the front line, ensuring the exit of refugees.
??On the Limansky direction:
The Armed Forces of Ukraine crossed the Seversky Donets from Raygorodok and tried to take Liman with a swoop. Despite the withdrawal of units of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Russian units continue to maintain control over Liman and inflict fire damage on the enemy, containing him at the Stary Karavan-Dibrova-Ozernoye line.
??In the Luhansk direction:
The information warfare bodies spread fakes about the occupation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the settlements of Svatovo, Kremennaya, Lisichansk and Severodonetsk. All settlements are under the control of allied forces.
??On the Soledar direction:
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to push through the defense of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and units of the NM of the LPR in the area of ????the settlement of Spornoye. The front line remains the same, there are no changes, all attacks are repulsed.
There are so far unconfirmed reports of the advance of the Wagner PMC and the occupation of Mayorskaya station by allied forces.
??On Donetsk direction:
The units of the NM DPR have completed a complete cleaning of the so-called "anthill" in the area of ??the runway of the Donetsk airport.
??In the Ugledar direction:
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are concentrating forces in Ugledar and are preparing for an attempt to break through the Russian defensive orders. In general, this may be an attempt to anticipate the pulling together of Russian reserves and the shock fist of 3 AK in this direction. In any case, a powerful grouping has been created by the RF Armed Forces.
??In Zaporozhye direction:
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are concentrating reserves in the Orekhov area and are preparing for an attack on Rabotino and Nesteryanka. On the part of the RF Armed Forces, the concentration of Russian troops in the area has been increased by about three times.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:10 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Let’s say Ukraine takes back all or most of their territory, what does the security situation in Eastern Europe look like after that?
I assumed it will be kind of like a heavy DMZ area wherever the boundary between them and Russia is. Hopefully it will de escalate after Putin, whenever that may be.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:10 pm to Lakeboy7
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You are suggesting a strategic retreat, you take your equipment with you. Because wherever you turnaround you are going to need that
I have no dog in this fight when it comes to military strategy, but it seems weird your would spend weeks/months fortifying positions only to leave it for a “more favorable position”. Shouldn’t your fortified positions be the best spot unless of course you’re been overrun?
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:11 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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His point is that in a “strategic retreat” you take all your shite with you in order to prepare a defense or or counterattack somewhere else.
Well I havent seen confirmation. They numbers they claim on twitter dont have video or photo evidence from what I can see. Just 1 here, a few there. Not the 60" as some claim.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:11 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Because the situation is so kinetic I don't know where they are going to end up so I can't judge whether the terrain is more defensible. It would have to be some damn choice terrain to give up trench and bunker complexes.
What about a river on the other side?
True. It probably would be a good idea for the Russians to fall back to the Don River. That would also be a great defensive position.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:14 pm to WeeWee
They have put up one hell of a fight and have a lot to be proud of.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:15 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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what does the security situation in Eastern Europe look like after that?
frick if I know, I just feel sorry for all those Russian privates who are about to have to start digging again.
Honestly it all depends on Putin right? As long as he is in power there isnt going to be any real stability in Eastern Europe. And I will say this, I am shocked somebody hasnt popped him, you just have to believe there are some reasonable people behind the scenes.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Let’s say Ukraine takes back all or most of their territory, what does the security situation in Eastern Europe look like after that?
A neutered Russia makes Eastern Europe much more secure. Less chance of some Napolean wannabee deciding to reconstitute a failed empire while on a delusional power trip.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:20 pm to Chromdome35
Rybar on Kharkiv Offensive
https://t.me/rybar/38586
https://t.me/rybar/38586
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???????????? Offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kharkiv direction
chronicles of the battles of September 10, 2022
??On the fifth day of the offensive in the Kharkiv region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine opened another front. Having crossed the Seversky Donets in the Raygorodok area, the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to take Krasny Liman and Yampol by storm.
Russian units repulsed the attack on the outskirts of Krasny Liman and stopped the enemy at the Stary Karavan-Brusovka-Dibrovo line.
The command of the RF Armed Forces decided to save the lives of the personnel of the Izyum group of Russian troops. By the middle of the day, the main part of the Russian troops left the Izyum bridgehead and retreated across the Oskol River.
??In the vicinity of Izyum, separate units of the RF Armed Forces remained until the last moment, which covered the withdrawal of the main group of forces and held back the enemy at close approaches.
??To the north of Kupyansk, the RF Armed Forces failed to stabilize the front. The Armed Forces of Ukraine continued to advance both from the side of Kupyansk and the Pechenegsky reservoir. By the middle of the day, Bolshoy Burluk was taken.
The command of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation made a similar decision to withdraw the troops holding the defense both in Kupyansk itself and to the north of it. The units of the RF Armed Forces gradually withdrew to Volchansk, ensuring the withdrawal of refugees.
??The idea of ??the command of the RF Armed Forces is to try to organize a stable line of defense along the Oskol-Seversky Donets rivers. There is a regrouping of the units withdrawn from Balakleya, Kupyansk and Izyum and the introduction of reserves.
The pro-Russian population flees to the territory of Russia both from the territory of the Kharkov region and the northern regions of the LPR. Filtration teams enter the settlements occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The task is to destroy pro-Russian activists and teach people, on pain of death, to be afraid to support Russia. Dark times have come on the lost territories of the Kharkov region.
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Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:21 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Izyum was getting surrounded. Would have been utterly stupid to stay.
I think you are missing my point. They left because shite was getting real not because they thought a patch of dirt 20 clicks away was more defensible. Chances are it was only "more defensible" in the sense that the enemy wasn't there yet. Chances are high from a military standpoint they are in a less desirable defensive position.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:21 pm to Kentucker
Wee Wee are your sources reporting yet on when Russia is going to hold elections in the conquered provinces?
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:25 pm to Obtuse1
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I think you are missing my point. They left because shite was getting real not because they thought a patch of dirt 20 clicks away was more defensible. Chances are it was only "more defensible" in the sense that the enemy wasn't there yet. Chances are high from a military standpoint they are in a less desirable defensive position.
Could be. I was just saying what I read. I dont believe much of anything I read and always try to parse both sides.
Also could be these are LPR and DPR troops not really wanting that smoke as most of the RU assets are down south.
This post was edited on 9/10/22 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:33 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Let’s say Ukraine takes back all or most of their territory, what does the security situation in Eastern Europe look like after that?
Scenario #1: Putin and his people are able to maintain their grip on power without much of a power struggle, and Russia opens negotiations to buy time for it to start planning another offensive to restore Russia's honor and place in the world. Ukraine attempts to negotiate but at the same time continues to integrates western equipment into their armed forces. Then at some point Putin and/or his successor says f**k it and the fighting breaks out again.
Scenario #2: Putin and/or his hand pick successor and his party United Russia face a color rebellion amngst the Russian populace and a power struggle develops. Putin and United Russia use their military to put down the revolt. Meanwhile, Ukraine and Moldova and Georgia take quickly take advantage of the power struggle and join NATO. NATO deploys its forces to Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltic states. Russia threatens war but does not want to face the Ukrainian army backed up by Poland and the US Air Force. Russia continues its pivot towards China and Iran, and a new cold war starts.
Scenario #3: Putin succumbs to complications from cancer. The Russian economy crashes, and Putin's ppl and his party United Russia looses power in the next election. A Russian opposition politician emerges and is able to form a governing coalition that keeps the Russian government from falling apart. Russia attempts to liberalize but it eventually goes bankrupt and another dictator comes to power. Meanwhile Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia join NATO.
Scenario #4: Putin succumbs to complications from cancer. United Russia and Putin's ppl lose power in the next election. Russia's opposition politicians are unable to come together and form a coalition government. Russia's oligarch and military leaders start squabbling and eventually a civil war in a nation with f**k load of nukes breaks out. Meanwhile Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia take advantage of the situation and join NATO.
I think that scenario #1 is most likely.
Posted on 9/10/22 at 5:36 pm to LSUPilot07
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They have put up one hell of a fight and have a lot to be proud of.
My buddy had either 21 or 23 tank kills before his tank got taken out by an RPG to the engine block. Of course most were not in fair fights because the Ukrainians had working night vision and the Russians did not.
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