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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:14 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:14 pm to WeeWee
The F-18 is no doubt the tougher airframe especially the landing gear but if the f-16 is already fairly labor intensive to work on then the f-18 is even more so. This is why I don’t think the f-18 will really be considered. It’s a great aircraft but you’d have to have a lot of Ukrainian ground crew trained to maintain them. 2 engines is without question a good thing to have when you are attacking ground targets at low altitude but there’s going to have to be a compromise somewhere on this deal and I think taking the risk of having a western 4th gen fighter with one engine versus 2 is a risk the Ukrainian pilots would gladly take. I’ll be shocked if it’s not the f-16. Numbers and economics alone make that decision a fairly easy one. The ideal scenario is for the Swedes and Ukrainians to strike some sort of deal to acquire some of its older Gripens and also acquire some of the recently retired Super Cobras as you mentioned. A-10’s would great to have but there’s a reason we have never exported the A-10 even to our closest allies so it would be hard to see them sending those to Ukraine even with a lot of the military brass trying to retire them completely from our forces. Sending the A-10 would also be much more expensive as most of the fleet needs to have new wings installed to keep them flying. They are tough as hell aircraft and the pilots that fly them, a few being very close friends of mine, love them to death but they do take a pounding particularly the wings because they can hold so many bombs and missiles from them which weigh a great deal. Having a fighter like the Gripen that can operate on STOL areas that conscripts can work on with simple hand tools (Saab made the Gripen so that it’s engine can be swapped out in about an hour and rearmed in 15 minutes) along with an attack helicopter that does not need special airbases or new runways to operate from would seem to be the best of both worlds and would be a nightmare to Putin’s forces.
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:18 pm to Breauxsif
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Actually what he’s posted is very legit and would only be known from someone who is on the ground and understands combat operations, and logistics.
Why don’t you remind the board who you served with during combat operations during OIF/OEF since you’re such an expert at pointing out inconsistencies with what weewee has posted thus far. Oh that’s right, you excel at drive-by shite posting, incel behavior that resulted in your arse being banned for weeks.
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SDVTiger
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:21 pm to TBoy
Who is malcontent news and why should I believe them. All they ever publish is hundred of Russian losses and failed attacks. Where is Russia getting all these troops to attack with every day if the Russian Army is “combat destroyed” and where are these artillery and rocket shells coming from if the Ukrainians are destroying ammo storage facilities almost daily as has been reported?
Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:54 pm to LSUPilot07
A friend who retired as a squadron commander of A-10's in the mid 90's said that a drone swarm would be better suited for this one. Plenty of logistics to keep A-10's flying and per him, with MANPADS a lot of oneway missions. Plenty of retired AF who could be mercs who would fly them without need to train new pilots
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 8/27/22 at 6:10 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Malcontent news is a Seattle based news site. If you pay a few bucks they will sell you a complete situation report with citation and links to the source of every statement. I’ve gotten it a few times and it’s very thorough. You should get it.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 6:23 pm to CitizenK
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Plenty of retired AF who could be mercs who would fly them without need to train new pilots
Most retired USAF or European fighter pilots aren’t stupid enough to go fly in Ukraine unless they’re just some ridiculous adrenaline junky, and most of them aren’t. Better pay and a lot longer life expectancy to be had flying for Delta.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 6:36 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
I defer to my friend's opinion on that. He thinks that finding them is not an issue
Posted on 8/27/22 at 6:37 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Most retired USAF or European fighter pilots aren’t stupid enough to go fly in Ukraine unless they’re just some ridiculous adrenaline junky, and most of them aren’t. Better pay and a lot longer life expectancy to be had flying for Delta.
They need to hire the chick who lost her canopy, and landing gear... and still managed to belly land her a-10 safely last year.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 6:47 pm to Obtuse1
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Drones are going to change the game and IMO are the most significant battlefield deployment in my lifetime actually a lot longer.
I agree. Here is a short video of a cutting-edge drone called the Hornet that is currently being used by the Norwegian military. It’s a spy drone that is virtually silent just a couple hundred feet away. Norway is sending some of these drones to Ukraine.
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The Black Hornet Nano is a military micro unmanned aerial vehicle developed by Prox Dynamics AS of Norway, and in use by the armed forces of India, the United States, France, the United Kingdom, Germany, Australia, Turkey, Norway, the Netherlands, Poland, New Zealand, South Africa and Algeria.
Black Hornet
Cost of one unit: $195,000
Size of the drone
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 8/27/22 at 7:09 pm to Kentucker
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Black Hornet
I imagine 1st SFOD-D and similar units have some very interesting drones in their TO&E. I would love to spend a week or two playing with the toys The Unit has available to them.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 8:00 pm to Obtuse1
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 8:15 pm to OMLandshark
Damn, if only Russia didn’t invade. I’m sure they won’t manipulate the energy market ever again.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 8:26 pm to crazy4lsu
ISW Update
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The volunteer battalions constituting Russia’s 3rd Army Corps will likely deploy to Ukraine in ad hoc combined arms units to renew offensive operations, possibly on the Donetsk City axis and the Southern Axis
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3rd Army Corps elements are unlikely to generate effective combat power, however
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Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command stated that a 10-person Russian sabotage and reconnaissance group attempted assault operations in Kherson Oblast on August 27, suggesting that Russian offensive capabilities in Kherson Oblast have degraded even further.
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Key Takeaways
Volunteer battalions that comprise Russia’s 3rd Army Corps are likely being prepared to attempt offensive combined arms operations but will likely lack sufficient combat power to make a material difference on the battlefield.
Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command stated that a 10-person Russian sabotage and reconnaissance group attempted assault operations in Kherson Oblast, indicating that Russian offensive capabilities in Kherson Oblast have degraded further.
Russian forces conducted a limited ground attack north of Kharkiv City.
Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks southwest of Izyum, northeast of Siversk, northeast and south of Bakhmut, and west and southwest of Donetsk City.
Ukrainian forces targeted Russian airborne command-and-control elements in western Kherson Oblast.
Russian and Ukrainian sources traded accusations of shelling the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.
Russian military leadership may be shifting to a new phase of mobilization in central Russia and have likely exhausted pools of potential recruits in more peripheral and disenfranchised regions.
Russian authorities are intensifying law enforcement operations in occupied areas.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 3:12 am to LSUPilot07
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The F-18 is no doubt the tougher airframe especially the landing gear but if the f-16 is already fairly labor intensive to work on then the f-18 is even more so. This is why I don’t think the f-18 will really be considered. It’s a great aircraft but you’d have to have a lot of Ukrainian ground crew trained to maintain them. 2 engines is without question a good thing to have when you are attacking ground targets at low altitude but there’s going to have to be a compromise somewhere on this deal and I think taking the risk of having a western 4th gen fighter with one engine versus 2 is a risk the Ukrainian pilots would gladly take. I’ll be shocked if it’s not the f-16. Numbers and economics alone make that decision a fairly easy one. The ideal scenario is for the Swedes and Ukrainians to strike some sort of deal to acquire some of its older Gripens and also acquire some of the recently retired Super Cobras as you mentioned. A-10’s would great to have but there’s a reason we have never exported the A-10 even to our closest allies so it would be hard to see them sending those to Ukraine even with a lot of the military brass trying to retire them completely from our forces. Sending the A-10 would also be much more expensive as most of the fleet needs to have new wings installed to keep them flying. They are tough as hell aircraft and the pilots that fly them, a few being very close friends of mine, love them to death but they do take a pounding particularly the wings because they can hold so many bombs and missiles from them which weigh a great deal. Having a fighter like the Gripen that can operate on STOL areas that conscripts can work on with simple hand tools (Saab made the Gripen so that it’s engine can be swapped out in about an hour and rearmed in 15 minutes) along with an attack helicopter that does not need special airbases or new runways to operate from would seem to be the best of both worlds and would be a nightmare to Putin’s forces.
It was the Ukrainian air force pilots that I spent hours talked to on a long arse train ride earlier this month that kept bringing up the recently retired F18s and that is the reason why I keep mentioning the F18. Those pilots had some real reservations about the F16. They had heard horror stories about how the Polish F16s suffered a lot of damage to their landing gear during exercises in Ukraine prior to the invasion. Since Ukrainian technicians who are not known for finesse and are used to working on MIGs whose landing gear can take a beating the pilots were worried about them being able to properly maintain the F16s landing gear. The pilots were worried about the mechanics not giving the landing gear enough attention and having the landing gear fail on landing, or the planes spending too much time in the shop having their landing gear worked on. Since the Ukrainian air force operates out of airfields that are in poor condition as well as using its the parts of its highways that are in good enough condition, I would say that those are valid concerns. The labor thing is also not as big of a deal because even though the MIG is a tough arse plane and was designed to be easy to work on. Ukraine has had to repair and keep 30+ year old fighters flying which is impressive since the vast majority of those fighters were left to rust for 20+ years in a climate that is not friendly to airframes. So maintaining F18s which were previously and relatively recently maintained by US Navy and USMC technicians and spent just a few years in the boneyard with its aircraft friendly environment would probably be easy for them. The economics of operating a two engine fighter are not really a factor in the decision because Ukraine will take what is offered to it plus it has an open line of credit with the west for finances. Also all of its aircraft that it has now are two engine fighters. Granted it was a small sample size and we were drinking, but those pilots seemed to act like they had been told something about the F18s. One of the pilots even let it slip that some of the ground crews for the UAF had been designing FOB screens to add onto the F18. However, I would bet on them getting the F16 just because the USAF has so many earlier blocks of them in storage. I imagine that they will figure out a way to work around the landing gear issues with the F16.
With all of that being said. I agree that getting Sweden to sale/lease/swap some of its Gripens to Ukraine in combination with the Super Cobras would be the ideal solution especially since the Ukrainians were in negotiations to buy Gripens to replace their MIGs between 2025 and 2030, but unfortunately the ideal solution is unlikely. I do not see Sweden getting rid of 4th generation fighters that its pilots and technicians are already familiar with when Russia is being a bad neighbor and it only has 100 Gripens in its Air Force to start with.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:04 am to RLDSC FAN
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British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 28 August 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
On 25 August 2022, the Russian Presidential Administration issued a presidential decree increasing the established strength of the Russian armed forces to 1,150,628, an increase of nearly 140,000. The government was instructed to provide funding to achieve this.
It remains unclear whether Russia will attempt to fill this increased allocation from recruiting more volunteer-contract' soldiers, or from increasing the annual targets for the conscription draft. In any case, under the legislation currently in place, the decree is unlikely to make substantive progress towards increasing Russia's combat power in Ukraine. This is because Russia has lost tens of thousands of troops; very few new contract servicemen are being recruited; and conscripts are technically not obliged to serve outside of Russian territory.
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 28 August 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
On 25 August 2022, the Russian Presidential Administration issued a presidential decree increasing the established strength of the Russian armed forces to 1,150,628, an increase of nearly 140,000. The government was instructed to provide funding to achieve this.
It remains unclear whether Russia will attempt to fill this increased allocation from recruiting more volunteer-contract' soldiers, or from increasing the annual targets for the conscription draft. In any case, under the legislation currently in place, the decree is unlikely to make substantive progress towards increasing Russia's combat power in Ukraine. This is because Russia has lost tens of thousands of troops; very few new contract servicemen are being recruited; and conscripts are technically not obliged to serve outside of Russian territory.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:36 am to cypher
Malcontent news reporting that two Russian spetsnaz units fought each other at a Wagner training facility. Apparently leadership sent in a second spetsnaz unit after hearing reports of a mutiny. Wagner and the already deployed spetz unit didn’t take too kindly to the new unit and engaged them in a fire fight
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:40 am to crazy4lsu
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Damn, if only Russia didn’t invade. I’m sure they won’t manipulate the energy market ever again.
To this degree...no.
They were making money with “happy” customers that were mire than willing to continue the arrangement.
Their invasion changed the dynamics.
Why act like Russia would have changed things up with Germany et al. for no reason?
I’m no supporter of Russia (far from it actually), but wha you suggest is illogical imho
ETA - Germany fricked themselves with their “going green” policies.
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 8:44 am
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:41 am to Tigeralum2008
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two Russian spetsnaz units fought each other at a Wagner training facility.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:45 am to cypher
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conscripts are technically not obliged to serve outside of Russian territory.
I see this aspect changing going forward.
If that is the case, I also foresee more issues concerning mutiny as well.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:46 am to WeeWee
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I do not see Sweden getting rid of 4th generation fighters that its pilots and technicians are already familiar with when Russia is being a bad neighbor and it only has 100 Gripens in its Air Force to start with.
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