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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:57 pm to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:57 pm to


ETA: in all seriousness though that ain't good for no body
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Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28838 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:06 pm to
Force Majeure? That is for issues beyond one's control. The invasion is entirely within Russia's control. Furthermore, the payment in Dollars and Euros is provided by the contracts.

It's unclear what the force majeure would be based on.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:32 pm to
This is where I thought we’d end up from the start, but admittedly I thought Germany would receive substantial pressure from the west to stop importing vs Russia stopping their exporting. Either way forces some very serious decision making on Germany and by proxy others in the EU.

I’m no energy expert, but this represents a lot of power loss and they don’t seem to have much ability to replace it. Industrial output, consumer demand will have to adjust. People will not be happy. German govt will be under significant pressure from their population.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8200 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:42 pm to
Germany should have seen this coming at some point in time in the last 20 years. Russia has been using natural gas as a weapon. Shame on them for not planning for this contingency.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:52 pm to
Remember when people said the sanctions weren't working...

quote:

Russian President Vladimir Putin vows to overcome the “colossal” high-tech problems the country is facing due to the onset of unprecedented Western sanctions over Ukraine.

The Kremlin chief says the West had deployed sanctions to cut off Russia from high-tech products to contain the country’s development.

“This is a huge challenge for our country,” he told a meeting.

“Realizing the colossal amount of difficulties we are facing, we will look for new solutions in an energetic and competent manner.”


LINK
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42792 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:56 pm to
Putin is wrong. According to the red brigade here Russia is booming and selling oil at record profits.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16205 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:29 pm to
Per Paul, they were boats about 16 feet long with an array of large outboards to get the speeds they achieved. Whatever Mercury was making in the mid 70's.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44721 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:33 pm to
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Per Paul, they were boats about 16 feet long with an array of large outboards to get the speeds they achieved. Whatever Mercury was making in the mid 70's.


Cool.

I didn’t have any experience with those. They sound interesting though.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16205 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:38 pm to
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Russian-origin fuel oil


This would signify Mazut a heavy fuel oil which Valero was importing to blend with that light stuff from Texas to make it refinable, in lieu of what would have come down Keystone XL. I was under the impression that Saudi Arabia used natural gas as its feedstock for power generation. Russian refineries are so inefficient and don't dig as deep into the barrel as even Saudi Refineries do.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16205 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:41 pm to
What I find funny about this is that both oil and natural gas are still flowing from Russia through Ukraine.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5761 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

Germany should have seen this coming at some point in time in the last 20 years. Russia has been using natural gas as a weapon. Shame on them for not planning for this contingency.


I have very little sympathy for them. Just within the last couple weeks they refused to allow the 3 remaining nuclear reactors to continue operation past 2022. What they did to their nuclear generation capacity is almost beyond belief.

Nuclear Power in Germany (Updated January 2022)
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16205 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:46 pm to
Paul did well, dropped out of college for the Navy because he wasn't getting all A's went back got his degree then masters (Civil engineering) ended up being very high up the food chain with Shell Deepwater Offshore before retiring. Being in the Navy helped boost his career early on.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:47 pm to
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The invasion is entirely within Russia's control.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16205 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:07 pm to
Russian natural gas and oil still flows through Ukraine with complete access to it.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5761 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:19 pm to
What would a Ukrainian counter-offensive in Kherson look like?
July 19, 2022 12:23 am by Illia Ponomarenko

One way or another, according to Ukraine’s leadership, it's bound to happen.

Even though the Battle of Donbas is far from over, Ukraine is expected to open the next chapter of the war sometime in the near future — a highly anticipated, major counter-offensive operation in the south, particularly to liberate the Russian-occupied city of Kherson.

Kyiv has declared its intentions to liberate the only regional capital captured by Russia following the Feb. 24 full-scale invasion.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105534 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:20 pm to
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Russian natural gas and oil still flows through Ukraine with complete access to it.


This is fairly mindblowing to me.
Posted by Malik Agar
Member since Nov 2012
12076 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:57 pm to




Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12676 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:58 pm to
Even though it’s common knowledge, I’m not sure why Kiev has their primary target publicized like that.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16205 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:13 pm to
No process controls to stop it all valves are still opened and closed by hand. These were the first pipelines to the West out of Russia
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:20 pm to
Well Ukraine could blow them up. I suspect they’ve been left alone because their flows supply european nations who’ve supported Ukraine and other whom are the leaders of the EU which they want to join.
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