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Posted on 6/26/22 at 8:24 am to StormyMcMan
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Don't know what to make of it if anything but starting to see some people trying to connect this
It’s certainly interesting at minimum.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 8:24 am to CitizenK
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The only reason to be there was to grind down the Russian military.
Correct. My sources in Ukraine were hoping to delay the Russians for 2 weeks or so. They delayed them over 6 weeks. Yes they suffered heavy casualties but the Russians suffered more. Ukraine can absorb the casualties since it has replacements and reinforcements coming out of training every week. Russia (since it still hasn’t started mobilizing for an all out war) can not sustain the casualties it has suffered the last 6 weeks. My source in Ukrainian intelligence says that Russia has suffered close to 30,000 killed, wounded, or captured in the last 6 weeks.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:06 am to crazy4lsu
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What? You think that the Russians are going to conquer all of Ukraine? Or do you think an extended period of insurgency is unlikely for some reason?
Ukraine is finished. How long their army holds out remains to be seen. The country itself has no chance of recovery economically.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:13 am to Stidham8
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Ukraine is finished. How long their army holds out remains to be seen. The country itself has no chance of recovery economically.
Lots of people in this thread make really definitive statements and then never offer any evidence or even reasoning. Retreat in one theater of operations isn't evidence of collapse. It'd be nice if this thread was used to actually post evidence, rather than it become an exercise in the specific allegiance of any random poster. Alas.
And of course the country has a chance to recover economically, especially if it joins the EU.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 9:14 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:13 am to WeeWee
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Ukraine can absorb the casualties since it has replacements and reinforcements coming out of training every week. Russia (since it still hasn’t started mobilizing for an all out war) can not sustain the casualties it has suffered the last 6 weeks.
The side that’s retreating can absorb the casualties but the side that’s advancing can’t sustain them?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:17 am to Stidham8
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Ukraine is finished. ... The country itself has no chance of recovery economically.
The majority of the historical analogs suggest this is a poor take.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:19 am to crazy4lsu
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Lots of people in this thread make really definitive statements and then never offer any evidence or even reasoning. Retreat in one theater of operations isn't evidence of collapse.
It's the only theater where Russia is actively pushing. Donbas is the crown jewel as it is the main industrial center of Ukraine.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:25 am to Stidham8
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Donbas is the crown jewel as it is the main industrial center of Ukraine.
Was.
You just stated Ukraine's economy will never recover but you think Donbas is a crown jewel now. It is just a bunch of land, shelled to rubble not worth a ruble.
This is indicative of Russia's military weakness. They are incapable of taking anything without reducing its value to nothing in the process. They don't have the ability to make surgical strikes.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:31 am to Obtuse1
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Was.
You just stated Ukraine's economy will never recover but you think Donbas is a crown jewel now. It is just a bunch of land, shelled to rubble not worth a ruble.
This is indicative of Russia's military weakness. They are incapable of taking anything without reducing its value to nothing in the process. They don't have the ability to make surgical strikes.
All of which will be easily rebuilt by Russia. Ukraine is finished economically because they're losing their most vital areas of natural resources in the Donbas.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 9:31 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:45 am to Stidham8
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The side that’s retreating can absorb the casualties but the side that’s advancing can’t sustain them?
Didn’t exactly thst happen to the Germans attacking Russia?
Didn’t that happen to the Japanese after early 1942?
Didn’t that happen to R E Lee and the army of N Virginia?
The fact is the side advancing doesn’t always sustain their advance. They do stall out and they can be defeated.
Now I don’t think that will happen in Ukraine, but I can see Russia stalling out and we get a situation akin to North and South Korea.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:46 am to Obtuse1
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The majority of the historical analogs suggest this is a poor take.
Yes, if Germany snd Japan can recover Ukraine can too if they remain independent.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 9:48 am to doubleb
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Yes, if Germany snd Japan can recover Ukraine can too if they remain independent.
I meant in the sense that Russia is closing off their coastline and taking their most important areas of natural resources.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:00 am to Stidham8
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I meant in the sense that Russia is closing off their coastline and taking their most important areas of natural resources
If Russia conquers Ukraine that’s one thing. They will become an East Germany.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 10:01 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:02 am to Stidham8
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meant in the sense that Russia is closing off their coastline
Unless they take over Odessa any agreement reached would open up the coastline. Anything short of that would almost certainly continue the conflict
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taking their most important areas of natural resources.
And this didnt collapse the economy over the past 8 years when they weren't exactly able to exploit this area so why would this collapse it moving forward?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:19 am to Stidham8
Right so the Russians are going to pour all this extra money that they just have laying around to rebuild everything they destroyed? Even the biggest Russian stooge like you can’t believe that. They don’t even keep their own country up to standard including their military hardware and training of soldiers so what makes you think they will pour money into Ukraine? They are just thugs, always have been always will be. Putin started this for no reason but nostalgia of having the Soviet Union territories back, nothing else. He doesn’t give a shite about killing innocent people or destroying their lands just so as long as he can say it’s his. I think all you Russian trolls are absolutely hilarious in how low you go to defend a corrupt country like Russia. Ukraine is no angel either they have corruption too but they didn’t invade another country. Russia can’t even defeat a 3rd rate military but please for all our enjoyment and laughter continue making excuses for them!
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 10:27 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:20 am to StormyMcMan
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1/2??The SSU intercepted new FSB RF training manuals: Russian officials teach them how to properly praise Putin and comment on the war in Ukraine," -the press service of the SSU reports. The document has a note "for strict use".
@Flash43191300
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??Intelligence: Russia increasing its military presence in Belarus.
According to the Defense Ministry's Intelligence Directorate, Russia plans to increase the number of operational and tactical aircraft in Belarus, claiming it's needed to conduct drills.
@KyivIndependent
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1/2??The G7 summit has opened in Germany. The war in Ukraine will be one of the main topics, DW notes. During the summit, there may be talk of an analogue of the "Marshall Plan" for Ukraine.
@Flash43191300
Also have seen several reports street fighting has begun in Lysychansk, but not sure to what extent
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:28 am to LSUPilot07
Pilot, perhaps the Red Brigade here can give us a list of all the countries Russia has invaded or conquered and show us how they have rebuilt and or improved their economies?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:29 am to StormyMcMan
It could be anything.
Maybe Putin died and they are swearing in a successor or something?
Or maybe a coup?
Or maybe Putin got word China is threatening to do something.
Maybe Putin died and they are swearing in a successor or something?
Or maybe a coup?
Or maybe Putin got word China is threatening to do something.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:33 am to Stidham8
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All of which will be easily rebuilt by Russia.
Does Russia have billions in capital? Their drilling for oil was funded by the World Bank. Ain't there no more to help it.
Does Russia have skilled industrial construction labor? If you want flanges bolted together properly, you would have confidence if using imported Western labor, definitely not Russian.
You really don't have a clue.
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