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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:05 pm to
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:05 pm to
Okay.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:11 pm to
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:14 pm to
I just came to post that.

This is the full article it's from

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-80-of-troops-killed-or-injured-in-elite-military-unit-says-commander-and-its-future-is-unclear-12639752

It makes sense that by this time in the war, Ukraine's best troops will be severely depleted. This is the same issue Russia is facing. There has been very little info on the real overall status of the Ukrainian army.

This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 10:17 pm
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:26 pm to
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This could be over in a week but the "liberal" West seems determined to turn this into something much bigger.


Then why wasn’t this over before the Valentines Day flowers started to wilt away?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:33 pm to
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LINK


You know people would take your posts more seriously if every single one wasn't blowing sunshine up Russia's arse.

Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:43 pm to
Interesting point on Russian capabilities on this article, indicating that they are getting close to hitting their limits and momentum likely returning to the Ukrainians by the end of Summer. Makes sense to me if true, Russians push hard to get what they can out of this shite show then push for a truce and a deal as everyone will be tired of it by then. What day the think tanks etc?


Article on Russians nearly end of capabilities
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:53 pm to
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You know people would take your posts more seriously if every single one wasn't blowing sunshine up Russia's arse.


How would he ever make his quota if he posted other than Russian propaganda posts?
Posted by JKLazurus
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:54 pm to
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It makes sense that by this time in the war, Ukraine's best troops will be severely depleted.


It will be ok. They gave women ak47s before everything started.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 11:44 pm to
Paywall for me.

If Russia is borrowing equipment from Belorus, and ammo too along with pulling their T-62's away from training
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 1:05 am to
Casualties are much higher, because of the artillery disparity, but also because they’re conducting a static defense, and because they’re not rotating their men off the line frequently enough. And when they do rotate, those men are not getting enough recovery time.

Paradoxically, the army is less experienced today, than it was two months ago.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 3:31 am to
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Paywall for me.

Here are the last summation paragraphs. Quotation from Michael Kofman, director of Russian studies at the Center for Naval Analysis (CNA). Podcast here.
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“The most significant part of the war isn’t these geographic points, because now it’s a contest of will but also a materiel contest, of who is going to run out of equipment and ammunition and their best units first,” he said. “Both of these forces are likely to get exhausted over the summer, and then there will be an operational pause.”

At that point, assuming sufficient quantities of weaponry and ammunition have arrived, the hope is that Ukraine will be able to go on the counteroffensive and start rolling Russian troops back, Ukrainian officials have said.

If not, both sides will dig in to defend their positions, and a stalemate will ensue, barring the unlikely prospect of a diplomatic breakthrough, the Western official said.

“You’ll have two sides not seeking territorial advantage but on operational pause, focused on resupplying and relieving the front line, at which point you are into a protracted conflict,” he said.
Posted by cable
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 4:19 am to
This is turning into Russia's version of Vietnam.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 5:03 am to
Russian missile strike hits apartment block in Kyiv
26 June, 10:41 AM



A nine-story residential building in Kyiv’s Shevchenkivskyi district is on fire, after being hit by a Russian cruise missile, Ukraine’s State Emergency Service (DSNS) said in a Telegram post on June 26.

At around 6:20 a.m. on June 26, a series of explosions were heard in the Ukrainian capital. Besides the apartment building, another missile struck a kindergarten, according to Interior Ministry advisor Anton Gerashchenko.



New Voice of Ukraine
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 6:53 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 26 June 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Most Ukrainian forces have likely withdrawn from their remaining defensive positions in the Donbas city of Sieverodonetsk. In April 2022, Russia revised its immediate campaign plan from aiming to occupy the majority of Ukraine, to a more focused offensive in the Donbas. Russia's capture of the city is a significant achievement within this reduced objective. The settlement was a major industrial centre and it occupies a strategic position on the Siverskyi Donets River.

However, it is only one of several challenging objectives Russia will need to achieve to occupy the whole of the Donbas region. These include advancing on the major centre of Kramatorsk and securing the main supply routes to Donetsk city.
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:50 am to
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Most Ukrainian forces have likely withdrawn from their remaining defensive positions in the Donbas city of Sieverodonetsk.


Retreated is the correct word. Nice spin from the propaganda machines.

This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 7:51 am
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:52 am to
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This is turning into Russia's version of Vietnam.


Absolutely incorrect. This is turning into Ukraine falling as a nation.
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
10494 posts
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:55 am to
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At that point, assuming sufficient quantities of weaponry and ammunition have arrived, the hope is that Ukraine will be able to go on the counteroffensive and start rolling Russian troops back, Ukrainian officials have said.


This reads like German newspapers circa early 1945.

This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 7:56 am
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:55 am to
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This is turning into Russia's version of Vietnam.


Or everybody's version of Afghanistan.

But really, this is different. Vietnam and Afghanistan didn't have open battles between armies and the cultures are very different. In a closer and ironic analogy Russia is playing Germany in 1941, to Ukraine's Russia. It's closer but still flawed. Ukraine has a much smaller population. But given the relatively small size of the Russian invasion force Ukraine is still much too large for the attackers. Ukraine is depending on NATO for weapons, instead of relocated factories to the Urals, though lend-lease still is in play. If NATO keeps supplying arms then Russia is in for a very bad time. Even if the arms supplies dry up and Russia manages to take most or all of Ukraine (very unlikely) then Russia still will have a very bad time with Ukrainian insurgency. Putin knows he screwed the pooch on this one, but he has no choice personally other than to keep doubling down.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 6/26/22 at 7:55 am to
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Absolutely incorrect. This is turning into Ukraine falling as a nation.



What? You think that the Russians are going to conquer all of Ukraine? Or do you think an extended period of insurgency is unlikely for some reason?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16167 posts
Posted on 6/26/22 at 8:15 am to
Now do Scott Ritter who was head of UN WMD weapons inspection teams in Iraq. Basically head of "engineers" who could barely tell the difference between a pump and a valve.

Another of the Putin apologists. Oh and he was all over the board on Iraq WMD's first saying they were there then a few years later saying nothing there.

Basically an idiot
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