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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:32 am to
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:32 am to
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The EU has been banging its head with Poland, Greece, Romania, and Hungary. Imagine what a post war rump state poverty undemocratic Ukraine will do?



You understand that the EU negotiating with sovereign states in its membership is better than the alternative, right?

Muh globalism
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8682 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:41 am to
Well something got blown the frick up that’s for sure, those things don’t miss often. Glad to know they are being smart and using them at night.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8188 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:15 am to
Drone/Robotics warfare is going to be the future.

If this is a topic that interests you, search Youtube for Drone Swarm. Also look for OFFSET Field Experiment (DARPA funded). The 6 or so videos on the OFFSET experiments are eye-opening.

Here's a scenario: A swarm is sent against a small town.

The swarm is comprised of several types of drones with different functions. Recon, Jamming, anti-personnel, anti-armor, etc...

The recon and jamming drones go in first while the others loiter above. The recon (Air and ground) drones begin mapping in 3D the entire town, they fly into open doors and windows to map the inside of structures and identify where items of interest are.

As targets are identified, loitering kamikaze drones dive in, to take out the targets be they humans or equipment.

Don't think in drone swarms of tens of drones, think in hundreds or thousands. Cheap single-purpose disposable drones utilizing the same airframe with modular bolt-ons for mission purposes.

From a logistical perspective, using additive manufacturing (3d printing) you could have mobile drone printing facilities where they create the drone, and then depending on the desired functionality, they just plug in the appropriate module.

Watch those Youtube videos

Look at 1:12 and 1:30 of this one, you can see the realtime 3D map buildup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km0LWvnMrtE

1:41 in this video Also, pay attention to 2:10 and think about what I said about additive manufacturing on the battlefield.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W34NPbGkLGI

1:42 in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFiuNgOQJo
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 10:27 am
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17727 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:18 am to
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search Youtube for Drone Swarm. A


Already watched many of them. I got interested in drone cloud/swarm tech a few years ago when I read the USN was developing drones to serve as shields against missiles. It lead me down the rabbit hole
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
3128 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:19 am to
Isn’t that basically what was in that Olympus Has Fallen movie a while back?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8188 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:21 am to
Yes, on a much larger scale.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:50 am to
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Moldova and Ukraine in the EU would be a disaster. The UK must have a crystal ball.


Ukraine has potential and resources. Their addition would bring in the only euro country with real significant combat experience comparable to a war in the continent.

That said, I think the UK made the right move for themselves. Did at the time and still do. UK also doesn’t need the EU like others.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:52 am to
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There's no rush to admit, though there has been a fast move to make them a candidate. There are candidates in the queue that have been waiting 8-15 years and there's no expectation of quick admission. The point is to make Ukrainians and Europeans alike work toward a common future.


Then they’ve done virtually nothing still for Ukraine today. They’re gonna put them on the path and not do anything for years and in that time there’s a real possibility Ukraine will either be a Russian puppet or absorbed by Russia. I still don’t believe that’s the likely outcome at this point, but there’s still much at play and they remain dependent on western help.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70757 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 10:55 am to
The issue is dealing with a swarm of impoverished refugees moving from war torn Ukraine to the wealthier Northern European cities. The Ukraine would face a brain drain while much of Europe would face an ever increasing housing crisis and further downward pressure on wages.

The issue of Eastern Europeans flooding British cities was one of the leading causes of Brexit.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:06 am to
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The issue is dealing with a swarm of impoverished refugees moving from war torn Ukraine to the wealthier Northern European cities. The Ukraine would face a brain drain while much of Europe would face an ever increasing housing crisis and further downward pressure on wages.

The issue of Eastern Europeans flooding British cities was one of the leading causes of Brexit.


Agree, but that’s part incentive to truly invest in your new partner and as a coalition help them rebuild and their refugees have something worth returning to.

Was the UKs gripe the Eastern Europeans or the largely uncontrolled “refugees” from Syria and Libya? Much more desirable to deal with a refugee problem for people who are pretty similar to your own with culture and values. They’re also much more likely to actually integrate and want to contribute vs the Islamist no go zones in UK and France.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53914 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:33 am to
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USA is not available to bail out Russia like in WWII


Because we always side with the globalist banking faction, which were the Bolshevists in WW2.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32830 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:45 am to
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Because we always side with the globalist banking faction, which were the Bolshevists in WW2.


What is up with you tankies and your anti-Semitism?
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 11:46 am
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70757 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:46 am to
Yes, but the Eastern Europeans were a much bigger problem in the rural areas and small cities, the areas where Brexit had its biggest support.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38244 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:50 am to
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Because we always side with the globalist banking faction, which were the Bolshevists in WW2.


What is up with you tankies and your anti-Semitism?




That swamp mutant has never left Livingston parish in his life, I wouldn't waste time on him.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8682 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:40 pm to
Did anyone else see the Russian S-300 SAM that did a complete boomerang 180 and came back to destroy the battery that fired it? Funny shite right there.
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
5123 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:41 pm to
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The issue of Eastern Europeans flooding British cities was one of the leading causes of Brexit.


I think middle eastern and African types were the back breaker for UK citizens, much more than eastern Europeans.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38244 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:58 pm to
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I think middle eastern and African types were the back breaker for UK citizens, much more than eastern Europeans.



They were migrating through Eastern Europe in large part because many of them came through Turkey. But you are right, and I don't blame UK for leaving because of it.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64321 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 1:01 pm to
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I think middle eastern and African types were the back breaker for UK citizens, much more than eastern Europeans.


Not really. Google "Polish Plumber" and "Brexit".
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 1:38 pm to
It can be both. You had the destruction of the English cities via immigration. And then you had the poverty, among ordinary people, who’s wages were driven down by immigration from Eastern Europe.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 6/24/22 at 1:54 pm to
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The issue is dealing with a swarm of impoverished refugees moving from war torn Ukraine to the wealthier Northern European cities. The Ukraine would face a brain drain while much of Europe would face an ever increasing housing crisis and further downward pressure on wages.


Yes, that’s what free movement means. Given the birth rates and TFR’s of European countries, they need the labor. Poland was similarly underdeveloped with a slightly higher per capital GDP when they joined the EU in 2004, but the net benefit for themselves has been, in economic terms, fantastic. Not surprisingly, you are looking at this as though the only thing that matters is Northern Europe. The benefit goes two ways.
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