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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:00 pm to
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:00 pm to
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Ukraine permanently bans all opposition parties




that's not even what the twitter link says you fricking clown. Do you ever get tired of being a parody of yourself?
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 7:01 pm
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:01 pm to
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Ukraine permanently bans all opposition parties

When are y’all going to realize you’re rooting for a bad guy vs bad guy war? Yeah, Putin is worse and at fault, but if you can’t recognize Zelensky’s manipulation of the West and that this is a massive Ponzi scheme, I don’t know what to ttell you. Yes you can still root for Stalin over Hitler, but at least be honest that is what you are doing.


First, ALL is not referenced. Appears he banned AN opposition party. I’m not familiar with that party’s platform so will withhold comment on motive. In general not a fan of banning much of anything, but in the context of war and potential for that party to be supportive of your invader, again I do not know this to be a stance of the party in question, excuse me if I don’t throw a fit about it.

Second, who in here is actively saying Zelenskyy is some noble savior without flaw? Many times it’s been said in here we get Ukraine is corrupt and Russia is corrupt. One is on a larger scale with much larger external effects. Why should we not root for/support the lesser of the two when there’s carryover benefit to us?

We’re focused largely on the defeat of the aggressor who’s worse and the carry over benefits to the west. That’s more important on a global scale than the internal corruption/not picture perfect democracy of Ukraine.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:03 pm to
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Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:06 pm to
“There’s a less than 20% chance a nuclear war will happen over this war”

-OMLandshark
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30712 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:06 pm to
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When are y’all going to realize you’re rooting for a bad guy vs bad guy war?


I doubt anyone in this thread doesn't see this is on some level a lesser of two evils choice. However, people realize only in a unidimensional Pollyanna thought process could one not recognize we do that every day in almost all facets of life.

Nobody I have seen is lauding Ukraine as the perfect country just making the judgment that Russia is worse. When the choice is binary there is a "better" guy in most cases and in this case, it isn't Russia. Most people supporting Russia in the US are doing so for domestic political reasons with no care for geopolitics which I think is dangerous. I know at least at some level you are concerned about the change of WWIII which you pegged at 20%, I think that is laughable at this point but you are entitled to your opinion like I have the privilege of bestowing my DVs. A privilege given to me by GEOtOT.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12866 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:17 pm to
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If we had our shite together we could a) help our own economy b) help the Europeans replace Russians LNG with American LNG.

This is actually one area where we are continuing to make rapid gains.



As of March we were up to about 12.2 bcf/d in LNG exports, from 9.9 bcf/d in October. So up by about 23% over 5 months.

We have another 4.3 bcf/d in export capacity under construction, set to come online over the next 2-3 years. That will bring our overall capacity to around 16.5 bcf/d, another ~35% increase over the next few years.

After that, we have another 22.8 bcf/d in export capacity that has been approved by the DOE and FERC and is either undergoing FEED or has completed FEED and is awaiting final investment decision. These projects have final investment decisions targeted for 2022 and 2023.

To put it into perspective, Russia exported roughly 24.3 bcf/d in 2021. About 14 bcf/d of that went to Europe. So we are offsetting some of those losses, but not all of them.

The problem is that LNG projects have a pretty long lead time. Many of the projects in the works are expansions rather than greenfield construction, which helps (particularly with engineering, as companies are able to do a fair amount of “copy/paste” work from previous trains) but it still takes a long time from FID to startup. LNG capacity is not something that can be added quickly in response to global events.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5996 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:21 pm to
“ In updated figures, the UN says that, as of 9 June, more than 4.9 million refugees from Ukraine have been recorded across Europe.”

5 million Ukrainians have been displaced abroad due to this conflict. Those are the good guys or the bad guys. They are just people trying to not get killed in a war zone.

This isn’t Hitler vs Stalin. This is Russia vs ukraine but if you need an analogy to make sense of this it’s Iraq invading Kuwait. Kuwaits ruling class weren’t saints either.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:21 pm to
Where is our LNG going? I’ve only really seen Poland with a deal and that was under Trump.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:34 pm to
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No, but you’re pimping Ukraine and have given them the debit card and the PIN number and keep on celebrating it.



How do you have the energy for this amount of hysterics? I'm honestly amazed. There's no world in which this is 'Stalin vs Hitler' man. Calm down for once and talk about things like an adult.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8188 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:39 pm to
You must have me confused with someone else, I haven’t given Ukraine a damn thing.

Where have I “celebrated” it? I have discussed the positive impact on Ukraines chances of the aid provided. You do posses the necessary neurons to understand the difference?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:43 pm to
Do you know what a best case scenario is, time wise, to bring new infrastructure on line?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:47 pm to
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Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:48 pm to
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Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:50 pm to
Fair enough I appreciate the clarification
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:53 pm to
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What’s the peak on the amount of cash you are willing to give Ukrainian oligarchs and defense contractors in this? We long surpassed mine, but none of you will tell me what yours are.



Well, that money will likely funnel back to US defense companies, and isn't really among the worst things we've funded. It's better to be forthright about that money than it is to let intelligence organizations use it to fund proxy groups. You understand that because of the Russian invasion, this would have happened anyway, right? The choice people had would not have been about whether or not it would be spent.

I'm cool with propping up Ukraine for a long while, because there's no benefit for withdrawing aid along any perspective. The implications of withdrawing aid are going to be severe as well, and the worst case scenario, the Russians security the entirety of Ukraine, will also cost a lot of money too. Think through the entirety of the implications, and stop focusing on your immediate, visceral response for once.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:53 pm to
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:55 pm to
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Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42776 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:59 pm to
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Ukraine permanently bans all opposition parties

When are y’all going to realize you’re rooting for a bad guy vs bad guy war? Yeah, Putin is worse and at fault, but if you can’t recognize Zelensky’s manipulation of the West and that this is a massive Ponzi scheme, I don’t know what to tell you. Yes you can still root for Stalin over Hitler, but at least be honest that is what you are doing.


Zelensky became president of Ukraine exactly three years and one month ago. According to you in that short time he masterminded some great ponzi scheme.

You compare the guy to Hitler and Stalin. Why? I don’t know because both guys killed millions of people.

You say Zelensky manipulated the West, but he had to manipulate Putin too. Remember none of this happens if Putin doesn’t invade Ukraine again.

As fir a comparison of Putin and Zalensjy there really isn’t any. How many nations has Putin invaded? How many has Zalensky?
You are talking stupid.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 8:02 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:00 pm to
Can you actually respond to things like an adult for once? Because, if you read my post, you'd understand that we would likely be paying in some fashion regardless. But alas, with you I should always expect the most hysterical responses.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10827 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:03 pm to
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Like I said, delusional



And yet you keep responding on top of reading them. Naming calling suits you and your ilk on this thread.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 8:13 pm
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