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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:09 pm to dallastigers
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:09 pm to dallastigers
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Do you have a link to this weekend long thread?
We're starting to get a little off-topic here, but yes, you found it.
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I bet a lot of y’all would rather Putin be President.
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I would
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Right now, today? Yeah probably so
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At least Putin stands up for his own country and implements policies that make it stronger.
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At least Putin isn't a stooge of the International Monetary Fund cartel of bankers
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Sure, why not?
That's all from page 1.
My opinion is that the pro-Russian messaging will be used in the coming American elections as a right wing wedge issue. Either it will or it won't. That's all I intend to say on the issue here. If anyone wants to carry on a conversation about election messages, we should take it elsewhere.
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:18 pm to Jim Rockford
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Russia and its apologists in the west and on this board will whine about escalation, but Russia has been waging economic warfare on Ukraine from the beginning. And in point of fact this is Ukrainian territory in the first place.
Yep, the rigs themselves were stolen from Ukraine in 2014.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:23 pm to Jim Rockford
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A non-trivial number of Americans find authoritarianism appealing. Russia identified and cultivated that streak.
There are a lot of people that find authoritarianism appealing when the authority figure's views match with their own. I would argue it is the vast majority of people.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:24 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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I'd like for the downvoters to give a detailed explanation for our continued presence in NATO.
Because a security umbrella around the North Atlantic is ultimately cheaper than the inverse, which is a security spiral where states constantly feel threatened, and use extraordinary means to ensure their security. You are seeing that dichotomy at play right now with the Russo-Ukrainian War. Russia's fear of not controlling the Eastern European plain poses, to them, a massive security risk. But what is the actual, literal danger of countries using the European plain to actually invade Russia? I'd argue that it was minimal, and that in fact the presence of the plain is an argument for integration into the broader European network. That's what other countries have done in Europe (with the help of the US), which has lead to increased prosperity and peace on what was a tumultuous place before. The Russians are stuck in an 18th century worldview though, and maximize their security risk by invading, as counter-intuitive as that sounds.
It's clear to me now more than ever before that integration is the way to peace, with problems worked out through diplomatic negotiation, than war. What security situation has the Russian invasion actually solved for themselves?
Thus, knowledge of security in numbers helps the US focus its attention elsewhere, as access to markets is already secured, travelways are mostly safe for commerce, and the countries in the organization are more peaceful than they would otherwise be. The Anti-NATO people are generally not thinking through the entire situation.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:29 pm to OMLandshark
What exactly do you expect them to say? Russia has proven that their security concerns are beyond diplomatic negotiation. They are the ones who invaded. A more skillful diplomat would have used the troop build-up to gain meaningful concessions. Instead, the invasion ensured a worse security situation for Russia than it ever had before.
Russia isn't a bear who is being poked. It's more like a paranoid psycho who has dreamed up enemies everywhere. Regardless of what is done by the West, it will imagine some grave security threat. In the irony of all this, the ex-Soviet states who were concerned about their security from Russia in the 90's and early oughts, all of whom joined NATO willingly, were proven right with their warnings about Russia.
Russia isn't a bear who is being poked. It's more like a paranoid psycho who has dreamed up enemies everywhere. Regardless of what is done by the West, it will imagine some grave security threat. In the irony of all this, the ex-Soviet states who were concerned about their security from Russia in the 90's and early oughts, all of whom joined NATO willingly, were proven right with their warnings about Russia.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:39 pm to OMLandshark
Go look up what Lithuania did and then you will really spaz out.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:47 pm to upgrayedd
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Yeah the EU migrant flood is because Russia was in Syria
It's because the refugee system put in place during the post-war era had been effectively broken, at least since 1991 and effectively earlier. Refugees who don't have paperwork, which numbers in the millions, have every incentive to move to developed countries. The countries with some of the largest refugee populations, such as Iran and Turkey, have made no effort to integrate them. And the problems since 2003 have been a lot of the US's doing.
No one wants to fix the situation, the US included, as they continue to support autocrats in the ME. Bad-faith actors, from Turkey in 2014 to ISIS to Russia have used the migrant situation for their own geopolitical ends. The problem is multi-factorial, but that doesn't mean you can't blame a country when they are directly responsible for exacerbating the situation. That's nonsensical.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:49 pm to OMLandshark
People have been predicting the end of the world for....ever.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:57 pm to Chromdome35
Something that we haven't seen much footage of, The Switchblade Drones in either variant.
Have any of you seen any reporting on the effectiveness of these? Given the lack of footage, I'm guessing that they either haven't been very effective or they haven't been deployed in quantity yet.
Have any of you seen any reporting on the effectiveness of these? Given the lack of footage, I'm guessing that they either haven't been very effective or they haven't been deployed in quantity yet.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:12 pm to Chromdome35
I read someone chalking up the relative quiet with them to improvements in Russia's electronic countermeasures game, but no idea if that's true.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:23 pm to TBoy
First page… and selective in that as well including responses Right after post from stat4ever that started Putin on thread in first place.
It doesn’t take you much to make an exaggerated claim of a topic on PB wanting Putin to be Ruler of America as you stated when needing to make an even more exaggerated claim about conservatives…
I don’t see any of that ruler crap nor do I consider Biden our ruler, and if you can’t admit most answers are obviously being anti-Biden and comparing competency (or incontinence) of Biden to Putin when responding to a poster trying to make criticism of Biden be pro Putin than I hope you are just trolling and not actually this ignorant.
Also on 1st page before sta4ever tried to turn post making fun of Biden into being pro Putin
And then after sta4ever but also on first page excluding sta4’s additional attempts or some other same day registration poster doing the same
Some from 2nd page and beyond which included stuff like below, debates on exact state of Russia’s economy, comparisons to Biden, and just about Biden and bike
It doesn’t take you much to make an exaggerated claim of a topic on PB wanting Putin to be Ruler of America as you stated when needing to make an even more exaggerated claim about conservatives…
I don’t see any of that ruler crap nor do I consider Biden our ruler, and if you can’t admit most answers are obviously being anti-Biden and comparing competency (or incontinence) of Biden to Putin when responding to a poster trying to make criticism of Biden be pro Putin than I hope you are just trolling and not actually this ignorant.
Also on 1st page before sta4ever tried to turn post making fun of Biden into being pro Putin
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The US has a "leader" that can't speak coherently or even ride a bike
We are a laughing stock
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Biden’s falling off his bike while he is simultaneously pushing America into a economic black hole.
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That's true. He's not to be pitied anymore. It's shameful how the dems and the press have created and support a false narrative that nobody believes.
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And kamaluh can’t get called to the big leagues
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or climb stairs or keep from shitting himself
And then after sta4ever but also on first page excluding sta4’s additional attempts or some other same day registration poster doing the same
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During the campaign, I just assumed any photo op of Waterhead in a Corvette or on a mountain bike was a body double.
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Well…
In all seriousness though, it would be difficult to get someone as hapless and detrimental to just about every calling a POTUS has than Biden has been. It’s repugnant at this point!
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Oh... what do we have here? Fresh meat!
Hey kid... YOU, ma'am, are a DUMB arse
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Nobody ever thought they HAD to show Ronald Reagan riding a freaking bike.
Even the thought of it seems quite ridiculous on its face.
Hell, can’t recall ever seeing Trump on one either.
Watching them constantly trying to stage this ridiculous charade day in and day out, has to be one of the most horrifying things in the world.
I want off the ride.
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Another day, another TDS shooting star!
Some from 2nd page and beyond which included stuff like below, debates on exact state of Russia’s economy, comparisons to Biden, and just about Biden and bike
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Calm down…..we all know Putin is a bad man but Putin is not what’s wrong with our country. The American Marxists/Groomers are trying to convince gullible Americans that Putin is the reason this nation is teetering on economic collapse…..we know better.
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Nobody cares about Putin, but we ALL knew what would happen every step of the way when Biden started acting.
Those billions going into Ukraine are not fighting the war. It's funneled. And the "President" of Ukraine has had people... generals ARRESTED for speaking out on those matters.
The issue here is PUTIN is smarter than BIDEN!
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You made this thread about Putin. I'm not sure anyone really understands why including you
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How is this different than Biden and his administration?
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quote:” I bet a lot of y’all would rather Putin be President.”
Nah, I'll take TRUMP, fine, thank you!
It is obvious that you LIBS don't really understand what conservatives stand for...And it's not hard.
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Why would the only choices be Biden or Putin?
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That you don't understand Biden being laughed at because he stated the ruble collapsing was a great win vs what actually happened vs your own thoughts is something to behold
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We're willing to take that Indian whore over Pedo Joe.
What do you think? At least Putin is a strong leader.
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quote:” I bet a lot of y’all would rather Putin be President.”
You legit must be 50’ish IQ or special needs
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quote:” I bet a lot of y’all would rather Putin be President.”
Hell, we know for a fact you believed putin was the president from 2016 to 2020
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quote:I bet a lot of y’all would rather Putin be President.
Within our constitutional framework? Absolutely.
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quote: “I bet a lot of y’all would rather Putin be President.”
I would prefer Satan himself over what we have now.
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quote: “I bet a lot of y’all would rather Putin be President.”
If this is the best argument you have, it's says a lot about having nothing to defend.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:40 pm to AbuTheMonkey
You need to post more often.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:45 pm to dallastigers
TLDR
Putin is evil.
Russia sucks.
PBJ sandwich is amazing with cold glass of milk
Fried chicken is awesome
Putin is evil.
Russia sucks.
PBJ sandwich is amazing with cold glass of milk
Fried chicken is awesome
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:07 pm to Jim Rockford
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It's easy to jump to the conclusion that it's kneejerk anti-Bidenism and it's partly that, but Putin fanboyism goes back considerably before the last election. A non-trivial number of Americans find authoritarianism appealing. Russia identified and cultivated that streak.
You are right. It started with Obama.
The 80s called and wants to reset the Democrat’s Russian reset and get it’s uranium mine back. We all know Obama had a thing for Putin and his back channeling with Putin had multiple meanings at least for Obama. Clinton, Joe, and rest just made money off it before moving to Ukraine.
China and Democrats are just a constant since Bill. Let’s not forget Iran deal and shipping cash to them. Democrats love to support and take money from authoritarian regimes even when these regimes don’t like the US very much.
The left, liberal elites, alphabet+s, blm, and so on and so forth also quickly move from tolerance to intolerance when in power.
Democrats spent 8 years building up power and assumed Hillary would finish it off, and then freaked out when they believed what they built might be taken apart before they could get someone else in.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:15 pm to dallastigers
All your posts are political and do not belong in this thread. Please take your delusional bullshite to the PT.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:30 pm to LeClerc
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All your posts are political and do not belong in this thread. Please take your delusional bullshite to the PT.
And yet you respond and thank you for reading all of my posts.
My post was a response to leftist political delusion, but you didn’t bother to respond to that. Why would that be?
Anyway since you have read all of my posts you know I obviously don’t post often on PB and will continue to post on OT and on this thread. If it’s political it will be in response to other political posts. If you don’t like it I don’t care…
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:45 pm to dallastigers
Like I said, delusional.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:47 pm to Pfft
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This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:52 pm to dallastigers
I once spent an evening at the campfire circle with the Idlewild at Bohemian camp. The circle was comprised of various known and unknown underground power brokers. Jack Lew, Andrew Mackenzie, Jamie Dimon, Brad Pitt, Michael Chrighton, and a couple of British, French and African (I assume leaders) none of which I knew. Mushroom tea was served. Sometimes just being director of security has its perks. Other times you are a just a chauffeur. There is no business on the ranch. Only self reflection. The connection this brings allows for them to pull the global strings.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:56 pm to OMLandshark
Who’s pimping Zelensky in this thread…no one I’ve seen in hundreds of pages. I don’t want to speak for anyone else but I am pulling for Ukraine not Zelensky. I think almost all the active people in this thread feel exactly the same.
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