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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:23 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:23 pm to
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My personal opinion is everyone should have to spend 2 years in the military after turning 18.


There may be social and personal benefits, but from a military perspective those people would be ETSing just when they've learned enough to start being productive. It's one of the problems with the Russian military
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:31 pm to
Europe has gone all in on dependence on Russia
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:37 pm to
Same thing a classmate said back in the 70's when he was in fire control on the Albany. They had pinpoint accuracy on drones, water or air. I haven't seen many Russian strikes that accurate on land in Ukraine
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:38 pm to
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My sauces in Ukraine have been telling me the same thing. They are also telling me to wait . . . . Only the Russian Air Force is stopping the Ukrainians from blitzing south from Dnipro.


Ukraine retaking Kherson and melitopol seem crucial to me in terms of bringing everyone to the table to find an end to this war. But honest question - if the Russian Air Force is preventing that today what is going to change that in the next few months?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:41 pm to
Tony Blankley said the same thing with the reasoning in that military understands the Constitution better than the public, and not having mandatory service has hurt us as a nation
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:43 pm to
Weather? Their ability to fly or fight in low visibility seems pretty sketchy.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
1-866-DHS-2-ICE
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 11:04 pm to
Screw mandatory service. I say that as a guy that spent 21 years as an enlisted tanker. I only want guys that are committed to killing if the situation warrants it.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 11:11 pm to
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Tells you the world has gone to sh*t when you have to decide between a Commie or a Nazi


Quit pissing on 1940s America it was the greatest generation donchaknow.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 11:48 pm to
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Aside from that, physical fitness test has been changed in other branches, lowering difficulty which is irregardless of the whole gay/transgender deal. Doesn’t exactly seem a smart thing to do.


I am one of the few that doesn't think lowered PT scores necessarily has a negative impact on readiness. There are more and more jobs in the military that don't require great physicality to accomplish and do it well. Do you really care if someone in a can at Creech flying drones is a 8% BF shredder or a fat boy platoon reject if they do their job well? You aren't going to get people with 40" guts gravitating to high speed low drag units. Even if they want to be there they won't be there long given the OPTEMPO, training, and PT schedules. In an increasingly digital battlefield, brains are more important than brawn. You still need the dudes that are real units but they have always ended up where they were needed.



Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 12:48 am to
Granted not everybody has to be a PT stud. OTOH if you're on a ship you had better be fit enough to fight a fire and do damage control, regardless of your assigned job. Same with being deployed in a combat zone or even overseas in general. You may not go out on a patrol, but you might get rocketed and have to drag somebody to safety. I believe some people I see in uniform nowadays would have trouble doing that.

Then there's morale, esprit de corps, whatever you want to call it, and that includes a fitness standard that's higher than the average guy on the street. Obviously it can and sometimes does get taken to absurdity, but someone who joins the military ought to want to be a cut above. Even if they're just manning the tech support help desk.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 4:02 am to
Igor Girkin is still dumping on Putin for not ratcheting up the war.

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If this change doesn’t happen, Putin will at best end like Milosevic, in the worst case – like Qaddafi.


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It’s also cold here – in the first winter we’ll have so many casualties that… no war has brought as many. So I hope there is at least some good sense remaining, and we will see the change of leadership, at least partial, and the martial law, and mobilisation, and generally adequate actions on both military and diplomatic fields. If that doesn’t happen, this “great team”, it can only steal, loot and lose. And won’t bring anything but the total defeat.


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Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45762 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 5:41 am to
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I truly hope your friend comes through this unharmed


Thanks.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45762 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 5:49 am to
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15-20 years ago I encouraged people to join but I would no longer do that today.


Too late. I filled out the paperwork for the Army reserve last night.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 6:23 am to
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I am one of the few that doesn't think lowered PT scores necessarily has a negative impact on readiness. There are more and more jobs in the military that don't require great physicality to accomplish and do it well. Do you really care if someone in a can at Creech flying drones is a 8% BF shredder or a fat boy platoon reject if they do their job well? You aren't going to get people with 40" guts gravitating to high speed low drag units. Even if they want to be there they won't be there long given the OPTEMPO, training, and PT schedules. In an increasingly digital battlefield, brains are more important than brawn. You still need the dudes that are real units but they have always ended up where they were needed.


I just believe everyone in service should maintain physical readiness. I get the tech/drone argument, but wouldn’t it make more sense to adjust requirements specific to those jobs vs the rest?

Our greatest geopolitical threat, which is now very clearly China, ain’t got a bunch of doughboys running around.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5753 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 7:03 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 16 June 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
All of the main bridges over the Siverskyy Donets River, which link the contested town of Sieverodonetsk and Ukrainian-held territory, have now highly likely been destroyed. Ukraine has probably managed to withdraw a large proportion of its combat troops, who were originally holding the town. The situation continues to be extremely difficult for the Ukrainian forces and civilians remaining east of the river. With the bridges highly likely destroyed, Russia will now likely need to either conduct a contested river crossing, or advance on its currently stalled flanks to turn tactical gain into operational advantage.

Russia's combat force in the Donbas is highly likely operating in increasingly ad hoc and severely undermanned groupings. As claimed by the Ukrainian authorities, some Russian Battalion Tactical Groups (BTGs - typically established at around 600 to 800 personnel - have been able to muster as few as 30 soldiers. For both sides fighting in contested towns, front line combat is likely increasingly devolving to small groups of troops typically operating on foot. Some of Russia's strengths, such as its advantage in numbers of tanks, become less relevant in this environment. This is likely contributing to its continued slow rate of advance.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 7:10 am to
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Israel does the same thing and it's saved their country. I used to work with this girl from Israel and she said they all look forward to turning 18 so they could join.


It hasn't saved their country.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12567 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 7:12 am to
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Israel does the same thing and it's saved their country. I used to work with this girl from Israel and she said they all look forward to turning 18 so they could join.
Western (i.e., US) money saved their country. It's the only reason their country even exists.

I know dozens of people from Israel and they said it's bullshite service. None of them "looked forward" to turning 18 or enjoyed their time in the military.

South Koreans, on the other hand...
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 7:16 am
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15972 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:07 am to
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hasn't saved their country.


They are surrounded by people that want to make them obsolete yet they still stand so yes it has saved their country.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4692 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:02 am to
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#Kharkiv Axis - #Russian forces have declared the start of a new offensive to attack Kharkiv city. The short term objective is to capture the #Ukrainian defenses in Dementiivka and Rus'ka Lozova. There is reported fighting in Prudyanka, indicating that RU has recaptured Tsupivka.


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This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 10:09 am
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4692 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:05 am to
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Fire at natural gas pipeline at biggest Russian gas field in Urengoy


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