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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:46 pm to
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:46 pm to
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wouldn't expect a Putin successor to pack up the army and go home. It's very possible though that two or more


Nothing but rumors just like we were told North Korea's dictator was dead or in a coma for months last year.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:47 pm to
Austin & Milley just finished their press conference at the conclusion of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group meeting

A few items of note...

The US will provide an additional 18 M777 howitzers and the rest of the allies will provide around 82 for a total of 100 new 155 artillery. This brings the grand total of 155 artillery to around 300.

The US will provide 30000 155 rounds.

The only new MLRS systems are 3 from Germany.

The US will provide 2 harpoon systems.

They were heavily questioned regarding the low number of heavy weapons.

Also, Milley said that the Ukrainians just finished their HIMARS training yesterday - June 14.





This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 12:56 pm
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:49 pm to
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I wouldn't expect a Putin successor to pack up the army and go home. It's very possible though that two or more factions would vie for power, perhaps violently. That, of course would have major implications for the war effort.

That would be interesting. I am skeptical that anything this dramatic could occur. But then again, there is almost no reliable information publicly available about the inside of the Russian power structure.

Eventually we will see what a post-Putin Russia looks like. Maybe sooner rather than later.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:50 pm to
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When the war began, Ukraine’s best and certainly most experienced units were deployed in the Donbas


So the Ukranian second string ran the Russians out of Kiev?
That doesn’t say much for Russian soldiers or their generals.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28820 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:51 pm to
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They were heavily questioned regarding the low number of heavy weapons.

I can understand why. This list is not consistent with the "will do anything necessary" comment made the other day.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15972 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:51 pm to
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I'm concerned that the USA is prolonging a war that Ukraine cannot win, thus causing further catastrophic increase in debt that the USA cannot pay for, AND thus causing further loss of life and destruction of property


Excellent post! This is exactly what is taking place. We're dumping billions of dollars without any control of how or where it goes. We dumped billions in stimulus money and now reading headlines that millions or billion were stolen and to think the exact same thing is not going on now, with Ukraine, is ludicrous.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:52 pm to
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American tax dollars should be earmarked to help Americans here at home first!


Come on man, my tax dollars have been earmarked to help Americans at home for my entire adult life.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 12:55 pm
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15972 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:55 pm to
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That would be interesting. I am skeptical that anything this dramatic could occur. But then again, there is almost no


Any successor is already part of Putin's insiders group so if anything they very well may ramp it up to show the Russian citizens that they are in control and have the power.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15972 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:56 pm to
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Come on man, my tax dollars have been earmarked to help Americans at homes for my entire adult life.


If you actually believe this then I hope you're not in a position where you make major decisions.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77539 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:56 pm to
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I'm concerned that the USA is prolonging a war that Ukraine cannot win, thus causing further catastrophic increase in debt that the USA cannot pay for, AND thus causing further loss of life and destruction of property, which, I am convinced that the USA will pay to re-build, as part of a peace deal with Russia, after Russia wins the war.
100%

And after watching the impact on OUR economy and OUR way of life, Scruffy is starting to believe the people who support the continuation of the war want that exact outcome.

There is no other reason as to why they would want the USA to suffer while generally improving Russia’s economic prospects.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61750 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:58 pm to
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Scruffy


I generally like you, but the drugs must be getting good these days. LOL
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15972 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:01 pm to
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Scruffy is starting to believe the people who support the continuation of the war want that exact


I guarantee the one's supporting it haven't sent 1 dime of their own money to their cause. The ones giving you DV are not true Americans.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77539 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:02 pm to
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I generally like you, but the drugs must be getting good these days. LOL
Buddy, Scruffy isn’t the one pushing for continuous war and sanctions that are directly impacting OUR economy and way of life at significantly worse levels than the one being sanctioned.



Doing that purposefully can be excused as merely evil, but doing that while thinking that you are “doing good” is either a sign of being high or insane.

How long are WE supposed to suffer the consequences of the sanctions placed on Russia before y’all realize that this was all performed horribly?
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15972 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:02 pm to
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generally like you, but the drugs must be getting good these days. LOL


The man comes on here with his honest opinion and you have to respond with trash.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13094 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:07 pm to
"...while generally improving Russia's economic prospect."
Wut?
Russia's economy will contract by almost 9% this year. it cannot keep up with its pension obligations and ordinary staples of life are hard to find and harder to afford. Russia is suffering from serious brain drains among its young and millionaires are leaving the country at record rates. To stay afloat they are selling fossil fuels to China and India, but at a loss to market pricing.
Russia's economy is being hurt badly.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77539 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:07 pm to
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The man comes on here with his honest opinion and you have to respond with trash.
What gets me is that, for the entirety of this debacle, if you opposed intervening in any way, you were a Putin supporter.

Well, it has now become apparent that what we have done has hurt us far more than Russia and has resulted in a shift in the global economy that doesn’t favor us in any way…and has favored Russia. How strong is the Ruble currently?

IMO, anyone who wants to continue down this same trajectory must actually be pro-Russia/Putin.

I wanted nothing to do with this situation. No intervention. No sanctions. No money and weapons sent.

Hotter heads appeared to win that argument, sadly.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 1:15 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5753 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:08 pm to
$1 Billion in Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine
June 15, 2022

This afternoon, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced $1 billion in additional security assistance for Ukraine. This includes an authorization of a Presidential Drawdown of security assistance valued at up to $350 million, as well as $650 million in Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) funds.

The PDA authorization is the twelfth drawdown of equipment from DoD inventories for Ukraine since August 2021. Capabilities in this package include:

18 155mm Howitzers;
36,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition;
18 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers;
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems;
Four Tactical Vehicles to recover equipment;
Spare parts and other equipment.

Under USAI, the DoD will provide Ukraine with near-term priority capabilities to defend against Russian aggression. Included in this package are:

Two Harpoon coastal defense systems;
Thousands of secure radios;
Thousands of Night Vision devices, thermal sights, and other optics;
Funding for training, maintenance, sustainment, transportation, and administrative costs.

DoD Press Release
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15972 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:10 pm to
You forgot to post this

quote:

additional $225 million of the funds will be sent for humanitarian assistance to supply "safe drinking water, critical medical supplies and health care, food, shelter, and cash for families to purchase essential items," the White House said in a statement. 
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15972 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:12 pm to
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supply "safe drinking water, ,


How many decades did Flint Michigan citizens go with unsafe drinking water..

America First
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5753 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:13 pm to
Why don't you provide a link to your quote?
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